2023 Game Thread

[fish16]

Jazz was throwing home

I’m aware, you still don’t throw it over the head of the cutoff man. It was a strong throw and it was good that he threw the guy out, but it was still over the guys head which is not how that throw is supposed to go

[fish16]

This is the right move. If Yuli doesn’t pull a Yuli they’d have thrown the top 3 guys for sure.

You throw the top 3 guys regardless. It’s a 2 run playoff game and. 3 game series, not a 6 run lead and a 7 game series. Playing for tomorrow is absurd in such a small sample size. He threw in the towel last night to keep everyone fresh for future games like he’s been doing for 3 months for some reason

[lou]

You throw the top 3 guys regardless. It’s a 2 run playoff game, not a 6 run lead

Phillies win expectancy going into bottom 7 was 91% based on data going back to 1903, and that's ignoring the Phillies are a premium team, at home, in the playoffs with a real amped up ballpark, with that bullpen, and the Marlins are a below average offensive team. It's just playing the numbers. We'd be all pissed if they blew Robertson and Nardi losing this game and now Brazoban has to pitch with a lead in Game 3. We can disagree, but I can appreciate the moves are aimed at winning the series not the game. As mentioned, they might be able to use Garrett, Cabrera, Scott, Robertson, Nardi, and Puk exclusively for 18 innings here on out if Garrett and Cabrera hold their own.

Credit to the Phillies, they are good and have been here before and showed it.

[Nick]

Phillies win expectancy going into bottom 7 was 91% based on data going back to 1903, and that's ignoring the Phillies are a premium team, at home, in the playoffs with a real amped up ballpark, with that bullpen, and the Marlins are a below average offensive team. It's just playing the numbers. We'd be all pissed if they blew Robertson and Nardi losing this game and now Brazoban has to pitch with a lead in Game 3. We can disagree, but I can appreciate the moves are aimed at winning the series not the game. As mentioned, they might be able to use Garrett, Cabrera, Scott, Robertson, Nardi, and Puk exclusively for 18 innings here on out if Garrett and Cabrera hold their own.

Credit to the Phillies, they are good and have been here before and showed it.

This is the fucking playoffs, you use a guy 3 days in a row if you have to.

[lou]

This is the fucking playoffs, you use a guy 3 days in a row if you have to.

For me, they have to expect and project success and not wear everyone out immediately when Sandy, Eury, and Rogers aren't on the team. Luzardo is still 75+ innings over last year as-is so what's his inventory if the make a run? They got here somehow. They know what they are doing. They lost a game. The Rays got shut out yesterday. I think they made the right decision not wasting the three better relievers in a game they had a 10% chance of winning. But I get it. Not much more to say besides let's hope Garret can throw a strong 5+ today.

[Namaste]

and got lucky to throw that guy out at the plate

I needed a good laugh this morning and almost spit my coffee out when I read this.

When going off the rails, never go full retard. Jazz had an awful day at the plate but you went full retard talking about how he got lucky throwing Castellanos out at the plate. It was an amazing play.

Never go full retard.

Also, other than bringing Okert in, I have absolutely no problem with every other managerial decision Skip made.

lou and I must have been watching a different game last night.

They threw their best pitcher last night at home and they won 4-1. We have a better bullpen. If Brax has a good outing I feel confident we will win tonight.

[fish16]

I needed a good laugh this morning and almost spit my coffee out when I read this.

When going off the rails, never go full retard. Jazz had an awful day at the plate but you went full retard talking about how he got lucky throwing Castellanos out at the plate. It was an amazing play.

Never go full retard.

Also, other than bringing Okert in, I have absolutely no problem with every other managerial decision Skip made.

lou and I must have been watching a different game last night.

They threw their best pitcher last night at home and they won 4-1. We have a better bullpen. If Brax has a good outing I feel confident we will win tonight.

it's basic baseball. it's great he got the runner out, it's not the correct play. You dont overthrow the cutoff man. If castellanos scores there, and fortes barely touched him, and the runner goes to 2nd, you compound a bad inning. Good result doesnt equal good process. he was doing that in the beginning of the year all the time. It's a hero play instead of good team baseball. It's kind of like the last possession of a basketball game, a star player holds the ball for 20 seconds and then takes a step back 3. Sometimes he makes it, and that's great, but it's not the right play.

If skip puts stallings in to pitch in the 9th inning of a playoff game and he happens to luck into 3 outs, did he make the right call because it worked or is that not the best process?

[lou]

I needed a good laugh this morning and almost spit my coffee out when I read this.

When going off the rails, never go full retard. Jazz had an awful day at the plate but you went full retard talking about how he got lucky throwing Castellanos out at the plate. It was an amazing play.

Never go full retard.

Also, other than bringing Okert in, I have absolutely no problem with every other managerial decision Skip made.

lou and I must have been watching a different game last night.

They threw their best pitcher last night at home and they won 4-1. We have a better bullpen. If Brax has a good outing I feel confident we will win tonight.

I think you can make an argument to bring in Chargois over Okert, but that's about it for me. But it's real negligible. They gotta score more than 1 run. Their expected stats were bad offensively - https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/gamefeed?gamePk=748577

Wheeler was awesome. They got a few lucky drops (like the bloop double) off Luzardo, but they did hit him kind of hard. It was a baseball game. That's the story.

Now if they are up 3-2 in the 5th and Chargois comes into the game with a runner on, with Scott, Nardi, Robertson, and Puk all in the pen, fire away at Skip. I want Scott, Nardi, and Robertson to cover 4 innings today which I think is a reasonable expectation.

[lou]

it's basic baseball. it's great he got the runner out, it's not the correct play. You dont overthrow the cutoff man. If castellanos scores there, and fortes barely touched him, and the runner goes to 2nd, you compound a bad inning. Good result doesnt equal good process. he was doing that in the beginning of the year all the time. It's a hero play instead of good team baseball. It's kind of like the last possession of a basketball game, a star player holds the ball for 20 seconds and then takes a step back 3. Sometimes he makes it, and that's great, but it's not the right play.

If skip puts stallings in to pitch in the 9th inning of a playoff game and he happens to luck into 3 outs, did he make the right call because it worked or is that not the best process?

You got to take some leaps of faith, like running through your 3B coach telling you to stop to score a run in the bottom of the 8th.

Of all the things to complain about, Jazz throwing out a run at the plate is literally the bottom of the list as it was the best play of the game.

[Namaste]

it's basic baseball. it's great he got the runner out, it's not the correct play. You dont overthrow the cutoff man. If castellanos scores there, and fortes barely touched him, and the runner goes to 2nd, you compound a bad inning. Good result doesnt equal good process. he was doing that in the beginning of the year all the time. It's a hero play instead of good team baseball. It's kind of like the last possession of a basketball game, a star player holds the ball for 20 seconds and then takes a step back 3. Sometimes he makes it, and that's great, but it's not the right play.

If skip puts stallings in to pitch in the 9th inning of a playoff game and he happens to luck into 3 outs, did he make the right call because it worked or is that not the best process?

There was no outs.

The Phillies 3rd base coach should have never sent Castellanos.

Jazz and Fortes made him pay for his shitty decision. End of story. There’s nothing to argue about here you’re dead wrong. I’m done with it.

Fold the franchise if you’re not trying to throw Castellanos out in that spot.

[Namaste]

Listen to how disappointed Karl Ravech sounds when Jazz throws Castellanos out.

At least Eduardo Perez loved it.


https://x.com/marlins/status/1709377...5F6k6qnReU4cyQ

[fish16]

There was no outs.

The Phillies 3rd base coach should have never sent Castellanos.

Jazz and Fortes made him pay for his shitty decision. End of story. There’s nothing to argue about here you’re dead wrong. I’m done with it.

Fold the franchise if you’re not trying to throw Castellanos out in that spot.

again, there is nothing wrong with throwing home, you just dont throw over the cut off man. i'm not sure what you're arguing about, that's basic fundamentals of baseball. if he scored and the runner got to second because he over threw the cut off guy again, it compounds a big inning. it was a strong throw, that throw was very far down on the list of things jazz didnt do well yesterday. He was awful yesterday. The first at bat he didnt run hard down the line, the second at bat was moronic with the bunt attempts, the third at bat he watched strike 3, and the 4th at bat he swung and popped up on a 2-0 pitch with 1 runner on when we needed 3 runs.

[lou]

again, there is nothing wrong with throwing home, you just dont throw over the cut off man. i'm not sure what you're arguing about, that's basic fundamentals of baseball. if he scored and the runner got to second because he over threw the cut off guy again, it compounds a big inning. it was a strong throw, that throw was very far down on the list of things jazz didnt do well yesterday. He was awful yesterday. The first at bat he didnt run hard down the line, the second at bat was moronic with the bunt attempts, the third at bat he watched strike 3, and the 4th at bat he swung and popped up on a 2-0 pitch with 1 runner on when we needed 3 runs.

You said it was a wrong play, and it wasn't and ultimately is a top 5 defensive play in franchise history given the stakes. It's probably # 4 after the Conine/Pudge play on Snow (although it was a more difficult throw), the epic catch Sheffield made in 1997, and the Steve Bartman assist. Maybe I am missing one but it is way way up there and those are the only immediate ones that come to mind.

And this goes without saying, but much credit to the organization for the CF conversion as he is objectively great. Jazz is going to Jazz at the plate. He will get his and hope he gets hot starting today.

[Nick]

It was a fantastic play, would've been even better if the throw was cuttable. End of story, some times I think you guys argue for the sake of arguing.

[Namaste]

I just drove all the way down to the Team Store at the ballpark and they don’t have the fitted caps that have the post season patch “yet”. Jesus Christ