2023 Game Thread

[Todd]

Floro got the Marlins around 3 WAR, he was pretty good for them while here. I don't think we can beat them up on this one unless those Dodgers guys really take a Tanner Scott turn and that's doubtful. I view this as the same as Michael King for Cooper and C. Smith. King (4+ WAR career) is pretty damn good, but the team did get 6+ WAR out of Cooper and C. Smith so you got some value and didn't get killed. If we include Weathers in that also, this may be a big net gain in the future if he works out as a RP.

Not on my complaint list personally.

I mean, Vesia by himself has been worth 2.2 WAR as a Dodger.

[lou]

so you know, the way you are making a complete and final determination on "better year than" is a blanket and unquestioned reliance on WAR because you want 1 number to tell you what a player is so you have to have 0 nuance and critical thinking or analysis about a player's ability using multiple metrics both statistically and observed to make a final determination and opinion. And anyone who god forbid questions your absurd reliance on that flawed stat is met with "oh so you think you're smarter than the experts." And then you take absurd, never going to come true projections of that stat year in and year out with 0 reflection on how completely awful they are annually in a wildly unpredictable sport from month to month let alone year to year.

What does it tell you about a stat that there can be wild fluctuations of that stat based on the website you get it from? You so desperately want it to be the perfect stat so you can use it as the end all be all and it simply is not, because, among other things, as i have said for years it's ability to measure defense and its weighting of defense and it's value relative to offense is not sound. If you want to use it as one metric to look at in the complete totality of a player, fine, but you use it as the end all be all despite it's clear flaws and act holier than thou and as if someone else has no idea what they are talking about when they dare to question it's accuracy or reliability.

It should be a glaring red flag to you that the same stat can have wild fluctuations based on who calculates it. It is 1 metric. It is a fine measurement, but you need to realize it has flaws and that not everyone has to agree that it is the end all be all For example, last year Taylor Walls had a 2.6 BWAR and a -.6 FWAR. Brendan Rodgers had a BWAR of 4.3 and an FWAR of 1.6. Sal Perez had a BWAR of 2.7 and an FWAR of .5. Amed Rosario had a BWAR of 4.2 and an FWAR of 2.7. And that's just for hitters. Sandy himself had a 2 WAR difference last year between BWAR and FWAR. The reason for the differences are one site uses UZR and the other uses defensive runs saved. Measures of defense have not yet been perfected like offensive measures have for what should be obvious reasons. That should be an indication to you that you are using a flawed stat and the underlying metrics used to calculate that stat have their own issues and that you should maybe stop using it as the complete measure of a player and actually do a complete analysis of a player and stop acting like a smug asshole when someone dares question your opinion.

I didn't read this, just letting you know.

[fish16]

I didn't read this, just letting you know.

figured you wouldnt! dont really care. wont stop you from complete idiotic reliance on war. just like i dont read your repeated 8 year outlooks and requests for the werth signing.

[lou]

This is check out #3 on the year. See you in 36 hours.

Bet the under

[lou]

figured you wouldnt! dont really care. wont stop you from complete idiotic reliance on war. just like i dont read your repeated 8 year outlooks and requests for the werth signing.

I think you have a 10 WAR at parties

[fish16]

I think you have a 10 WAR at parties

i dont think people invite you to parties. probably dont want to have to sit through your unrealistic 9 year plan.

[lou]

I mean, Vesia by himself has been worth 2.2 WAR as a Dodger.

Yea he's fine, but Floro was better so why are we to be annoyed? Sure they have a few years of service time left, but the Marlins got some real value here. That's all I'm saying. And big picture, they kind of were right to move a lefty for a righty based on what has happened with the depth. I didn't see a lefty explosion happening, but it did in their defense.

[lou]

i dont think people invite you to parties. probably dont want to have to sit through your unrealistic 9 year plan.

OOHHH BURN

[Namaste]

Market moving against the Marlins

They were -115 about 6 hours ago and now down to a Pick Em oooof

[fish16]

Sandy has a ucl sprain per his mri but is somehow also throwing a little which doesn’t seem to make sense

[Namaste]

Jazz hit a ball about 110 mph that was a 6/4/3 double play. Then he came out of the game. What a wonderful sequence with our season on the line.

[Namaste]

Wendle just made a brutal error right after we took the lead.

And the Brewers are a very lucky hitting team (per my eye test)

[Namaste]

The only reason Wendle is in the game is because Jazz got hurt for the 5th time this season

[Namaste]

The Guardians blew a 5-1 lead tonight to the Giants

[Lee Stone]

How do you not pinch hit for Wendle with Gurriel or Dane Myers?