2022 Game Thread

[Nick]

Not about the marlins, but how in the world can the angels never build a winning team around the greatest player in a generation and now a 2nd generational talent? It's not like they don't spend either, they have consistently spent on huge contracts and still suck year after year. They haven't won a single playoff game in Trout's career and have only even made the playoffs once.

I audibly laughed when I saw the recently released Jonathan Villar was leading off in front of Trout and Ohtani yesterday.

[fish16]

I audibly laughed when I saw the recently released Jonathan Villar was leading off in front of Trout and Ohtani yesterday.

all I remember from villar's tenure here was that I've never seen a man get picked off and make baserunning errors more consistently in my life

[Nick]

all I remember from villar's tenure here was that I've never seen a man get picked off and make baserunning errors more consistently in my life

Yep and there was that game last year against the Mets where we picked him off multiple times in the same game.

[Nick]

I know we have better options than Tommy Nance at AAA.

[fish16]

went to the game last night and that's the last time ill be spending my money on this team until this clown owner decides to sell the team or spend his own money to improve the team. How can you ask people to spend their hard earned money to watch a product that you wont spend your own money to improve?

the lineup they trotted out there last night and the bullpen arms on this team are pathetic. It is a complete disgrace that rather than going and getting a bullpen arm or 2 now, they are going to wait another 23 days of potentially blown games to see if they are still in it before deciding to truly do what it takes to help this team win. If they really wanted to, they could have gotten a couple arms 2 fucking months ago to help this team win. but they will do everything possible to avoid spending money until they need to. Why buy a fucking baseball team if this is how you are going to run it?

the bullpen is a complete disgrace, and mattingly's use of the bullpen and his daily lineups are infuriating. he's a flat out terrible manager. there is nothing he does before the game in terms of lineup or during the game in terms of bullpen use that he is not terrible at. And there are 0 ramifications for poor performance throughout the team. There is no reason to be starting stallings ever except in cases of rest for fortes. What on earth does he have to do to lose his job. he is abysmal at the plate.

This team is close enough to make the playoffs, and if they don't, it will rest solely on ownerships refusal to spend money, or when they do spend money to spend it intelligently.

[Lee Stone]

You saw a game last night that illustrated two contrasting offensive approaches. Card hitters refused to swing at pitches out of the zone and the Marlins didn't refuse to swing at anything. Purely a game that was gifted to the Angels with walks and multiple HBP. Did the Angels hit anything hard the entire game?

[Namaste]

went to the game last night and that's the last time ill be spending my money on this team until this clown owner decides to sell the team or spend his own money to improve the team. How can you ask people to spend their hard earned money to watch a product that you wont spend your own money to improve?

the lineup they trotted out there last night and the bullpen arms on this team are pathetic. It is a complete disgrace that rather than going and getting a bullpen arm or 2 now, they are going to wait another 23 days of potentially blown games to see if they are still in it before deciding to truly do what it takes to help this team win. If they really wanted to, they could have gotten a couple arms 2 fucking months ago to help this team win. but they will do everything possible to avoid spending money until they need to. Why buy a fucking baseball team if this is how you are going to run it?

the bullpen is a complete disgrace, and mattingly's use of the bullpen and his daily lineups are infuriating. he's a flat out terrible manager. there is nothing he does before the game in terms of lineup or during the game in terms of bullpen use that he is not terrible at. And there are 0 ramifications for poor performance throughout the team. There is no reason to be starting stallings ever except in cases of rest for fortes. What on earth does he have to do to lose his job. he is abysmal at the plate.

This team is close enough to make the playoffs, and if they don't, it will rest solely on ownerships refusal to spend money, or when they do spend money to spend it intelligently.

You went to a shitty game (with a big pitching mismatch favoring the visiting team).

I went on Tuesday night and had a fantastic time.

[Nick]

Yeah Rogers bad inning was super frustrating, as was throwing the white flag with Nance, but we just got bested by a pitcher who was completely filthy.

[fish16]

You went to a shitty game (with a big pitching mismatch favoring the visiting team).

I went on Tuesday night and had a fantastic time.

It's not about the 1 game, I went expecting them to lose with Ohtani on the mound. It's the complete shit they threw out there while simultaneously lying saying they are trying to win. You don't play stallings every day still and throw out the arms we throw out of the bullpen on a nightly basis and say with a straight face that you're trying to win. It's been obvious what the deficiencies on this team are all year, to wait to the trade deadline to see if you're still in it before making a move to improve the bullpen instead of trying to help this pen out 2-3 months ago is a farce. It's either gross mismanagement or a complete refusal to spend money to do what it takes to win baseball games at more than just a slightly below .500 clip.

And the dumbest part is neither loria nor sherman understand this market or how to make an investment in this team that will pay off in more fans. It's just that, an investment. If you spend the extra 5-10 million to improve the teams clear holes, this team will play meaningful baseball in august, September, and hopefully beyond. Meaningful baseball = more fans in the stands, and you recoup a significant part of your investment in the improvements to the team and possible even make some money if they get you some home playoff games. It's just circular reasoning from ownership that shows a complete lack of vision or a complete lack of desire to spend money to fulfill the vision they have for the team.

At a certain point, you're going to have to spend money and possibly be willing to lose a little money to improve the team, improve the relationship with the fanbase down here, and in turn create a winning team that will bring people out to the ballpark and start generating more revenue for the team. But instead what they do is say we don't have the fans coming out, so they're not generating the revenue needed to make additions, don't make the additions as a result, and as a result the team stays mediocre and the fans still don't want to come out. He needs to open up his fucking wallet, be willing to risk losing a little bit of money to improve the team, or else we will be mired in this fanbases hatred of this franchise for their refusal to spend money which in turn leads to low attendance resulting in low payrolls. It's like a staredown where nobody wins.

[fish16]

Yeah Rogers bad inning was super frustrating, as was throwing the white flag with Nance, but we just got bested by a pitcher who was completely filthy.

as soon as he hit trout you could feel that game was about over. The moments leading up to that HBP were pretty fun though. needless to say Baseball is more fun in front of more than 4k fans. That ballpark really is electric when good crowds come out. I cannot wait until we get a playoff home game and that stadium is filled with bandwagon fans, it should be a really impressive home field advantage. If we can ever get anything resembling the world baseball classic atmosphere, that's a tough place to play.

[Namaste]

It's not about the 1 game, I went expecting them to lose with Ohtani on the mound. It's the complete shit they threw out there while simultaneously lying saying they are trying to win. You don't play stallings every day still and throw out the arms we throw out of the bullpen on a nightly basis and say with a straight face that you're trying to win. It's been obvious what the deficiencies on this team are all year, to wait to the trade deadline to see if you're still in it before making a move to improve the bullpen instead of trying to help this pen out 2-3 months ago is a farce. It's either gross mismanagement or a complete refusal to spend money to do what it takes to win baseball games at more than just a slightly below .500 clip.

And the dumbest part is neither loria nor sherman understand this market or how to make an investment in this team that will pay off in more fans. It's just that, an investment. If you spend the extra 5-10 million to improve the teams clear holes, this team will play meaningful baseball in august, September, and hopefully beyond. Meaningful baseball = more fans in the stands, and you recoup a significant part of your investment in the improvements to the team and possible even make some money if they get you some home playoff games. It's just circular reasoning from ownership that shows a complete lack of vision or a complete lack of desire to spend money to fulfill the vision they have for the team.

At a certain point, you're going to have to spend money and possibly be willing to lose a little money to improve the team, improve the relationship with the fanbase down here, and in turn create a winning team that will bring people out to the ballpark and start generating more revenue for the team. But instead what they do is say we don't have the fans coming out, so they're not generating the revenue needed to make additions, don't make the additions as a result, and as a result the team stays mediocre and the fans still don't want to come out. He needs to open up his fucking wallet, be willing to risk losing a little bit of money to improve the team, or else we will be mired in this fanbases hatred of this franchise for their refusal to spend money which in turn leads to low attendance resulting in low payrolls. It's like a staredown where nobody wins.

So you wouldn’t have posted a long triggered rant about how terrible the Marlins are if the Marlins won 7-3 last night?

[fish16]

So you wouldn’t have posted a long triggered rant about how terrible the Marlins are if the Marlins won 7-3 last night?

no, because I've made the same comment several times dating back years to when loria refused to do the same thing, including his refusal to invest in the farm system. I even said it at the beginning of this year when they didn't improve the bullpen. Sherman's refusal to spend is in different areas than Loria's was as he's shown a great willingness to invest in IFA and the draft and our international facilities, but at a certain point, an owner of this team is going to have to make a calculated investment in this team and risk losing money to gain the faith and goodwill of the fanbase so they come out to more games (and so there are more important games at all in general) other than just the big ones.

Loria didn't think spending the money on IFA and the draft was worth it, therefore we always crumbled when the stars got injured due to a lack of quality depth, thereby ruining seasons and giving the franchise 2-3 months of meaningless home games every year where attendance was pitiful. Sherman is doing a similar thing slightly differently. We have a good core that needs help and he's refusing to spend either in the offseason or thus far this year on critical surrounding pieces and it's cost them countless games this year already. An ownership group committed to spending money and putting out a winning ballclub would quit the BS lip service about doing everything they can to win and would have already found a way to improve the bullpen instead of just waiting until the deadline to see if they are in it before deciding whether to help this team.

[fish16]

side note on last nights game- watching rogers in person, something is clearly wrong with him mechanically. There were a lot of times last night he was doing weird things in his follow through that he was not doing when he was dominating in the beginning and middle of last year. He did it on the trout HBP too. I don't think it's injury either cause his velocity is there, I think he and stottlemeyer are tinkering with things mechanically to try to get him back to his good form and he;s either not there yet or it's in his own head at this point. Not sure if that got brought up on the broadcast last night.

[Nick]

as soon as he hit trout you could feel that game was about over. The moments leading up to that HBP were pretty fun though. needless to say Baseball is more fun in front of more than 4k fans. That ballpark really is electric when good crowds come out. I cannot wait until we get a playoff home game and that stadium is filled with bandwagon fans, it should be a really impressive home field advantage. If we can ever get anything resembling the world baseball classic atmosphere, that's a tough place to play.

Him hitting Harrison was worse. Talk about a golden opportunity to get a K and have Villar come up with 2 outs and the possibility to get out of it without having to face Trout or Ohtani there.

[fish16]

Him hitting Harrison was worse. Talk about a golden opportunity to get a K and have Villar come up with 2 outs and the possibility to get out of it without having to face Trout or Ohtani there.

agreed. Nothing good was happening once trout got up there. His second time up the ball he hit he absolutely crushed and it seemed like it was going out but it died just in front of the wall, he wasn't getting away with another opportunity for Trout to drive in some runs.