July 2021 Game Thread

[Namaste]

We have no chance of making the playoffs in 2022 if Garrett starts every 5th day and Paul Campbell is the first guy out of the bullpen

[Namaste]

Guess no one else is available out of the pen?

[lou]

I don't know, you could have a situation as early as next year where both Eder and Luzardo are ready and you send 1 of the 2 to the pen as a backend guy. Have 2 lefties in the rotation and maybe you trade for another Bleier type at the deadline and you're set.

I think you go into the season with at least six to seven lefty arm 40 man options (six is fine if we are confident Eder is a midseason add). Rogers, Luzardo, Bleier, Garrett (despite this game, he does seem like someone you convert into a reliever right now and hope he gets it in the offseason turning into a max effort guy. He is probably a keep one more offseason), and maybe Guenther holds up.

I think they definitely need a Bass/Floro type free agent on a 1-2 year deal given no one can be relied on her besides probably Rogers. Then, I think you go for 2+ young lefties (presumably a secondary piece in say the Pablo deal, maybe Rule 5 etc.), and then hope Eder is the truth and is up midseason. Unfortunately, Vesia is probably a perfect kind of guy for those young lefties even if Floro is good, but what can you do. If that all fails, then you hit the deadline moves.

This is real low effort here. It's basically a veteran reliever like Bass/Bleier, and acquiring two guys closer to Bender/Floro. This is where Aguilar may have made a lot of sense this deadline, but again, what can you do?

[Nick]

I think you go into the season with at least six to seven lefty arm 40 man options (six is fine if we are confident Eder is a midseason add). Rogers, Luzardo, Bleier, Garrett (despite this game, he does seem like someone you convert into a reliever right now and hope he gets it in the offseason turning into a max effort guy. He is probably a keep one more offseason), and maybe Guenther holds up.

I think they definitely need a Bass/Floro type free agent on a 1-2 year deal given no one can be relied on her besides probably Rogers. Then, I think you go for 2+ young lefties (presumably a secondary piece in say the Pablo deal, maybe Rule 5 etc.), and then hope Eder is the truth and is up midseason. Unfortunately, Vesia is probably a perfect kind of guy for those young lefties even if Floro is good, but what can you do. If that all fails, then you hit the deadline moves.

This is real low effort here. It's basically a veteran reliever like Bass/Bleier, and acquiring two guys closer to Bender/Floro. This is where Aguilar may have made a lot of sense this deadline, but again, what can you do?

Give me Kenley Jansen and Brad Hand/Aaron Loup in Free Agency and I think we're good going into the season.

[fish16]

you can tell mattingly is back in charge because he keeps making pointless double switches in a lost season to take out guys we need to see as much as possible of to end the season. Last night he took out Jesus Sanchez and the day before brinson. He's one of the worst managers ive ever seen.

[Madman81]

I feel like the Marlins really bombed their 1st selection of the 2016 draft -or was his velocity like 4-5 mph faster?-

it looks like he was supposedly an 88-93 mph guy in high school who projected to pick up more velocity as he filled out his body. i guess they don't all work out that way, because this guy we're watching is no good at all.

[Lee Stone]

There was no good news in the performances of Garrett, Campbell and the Notre Dame lefty Guenther, but I doubt we'll be seeing much more of any of them. The fact that Marlin hitters generally refuse to take walks (esp compared to a thoughtful lineup like Atlanta's) was really highlighted last night.

[fish16]

garrett will eventually figure it out and become an Andrew heaney type inconsistent lefty who was drafted as a high floor guy who eventually settles in as a decent back end rotation piece for a team. it wont be for us though.

[fish16]

I feel like the Marlins really bombed their 1st selection of the 2016 draft -or was his velocity like 4-5 mph faster?-

I've heard mixed things. I saw scouting reports that said he sat 93-95 and then as someone just said above maybe the expectation was just that he would eventually develop it. either way he's not going to be in our rotation long term with that velocity.

[lou]

Brinson BABIP watch:

Since May 1st - 122 PA, .307/.352/.588 (.940), .378 BABIP, 5.7% BB, 27% K. All of this is trending well from the walks, whiffs, and bloops. He's still overachieving over this small sample, but we can probably make a fair argument he should be hitting closer .260 which is great with that power. It makes the season line of .276/.318/.497 (5.2% BB, 26.6% K, .340 BABIP) more understandable. He's probably slightly overachieving from the season line, and I mean a high 700 OPS is flat out great for him if that's what this is.

Also, defense. He has been radically bad in CF this year (historically, slightly below average/neutral), and EXTREMELY EXTREMELY positive in LF (small sample size for career), and very very good in RF (historically bad, but small sample size). This is going to be interesting to track too, but it seems like he should be in LF. Basically, they should acquire a longterm CF no matter what Brinson does as even if he hits, he may be better used elsewhere. A Brinson/Sanchez, New CF/Brinson/Berti, Cooper/Brinson situation next year, with Bleday coming to take someone's job, seems like where we are headed. Especially with Brinson hitting lefties harder to help shield Sanchez and Cooper. I think I'm fine with that provided we like the CF name.

Rest of season is going to be very telling here, but these last 4 games (3/14, 2B, 2 BB, 1 K) really turned that LOL .418 something BABIP into something more realistic. It's been a a good adjustment period for the sample size. Hope it keeps up.

[Lee Stone]

I'm not a buyer on NutraSweet Lew. He's just not the real deal.

[Nick]

In my mind Brinson and De La Cruz are battling for the 4th OF spot for next year, right now. Maybe you pick up a lefty-bat who smokes righties, to platoon with them, but I can't see us going into next year with one of them as a full-time starter.

[fish16]

In my mind Brinson and De La Cruz are battling for the 4th OF spot for next year, right now. Maybe you pick up a lefty-bat who smokes righties, to platoon with them, but I can't see us going into next year with one of them as a full-time starter.

we can also carry 5 OF's or use brinson as a platoon guy against lefties if his success against righties doesn't keep up.

[fish16]

marte talks apparently went down like this: Marlins offered 4 years 40 million with a 4th year option. Marte then countered with 4 years 45 million all 4 years guaranteed. Miami countered with 3 years 36.5 million. Marte is now in Oakland. If that's what marte gets this offseason, we should be in that market 100%. I wouldn't do 4 years but id feel comfortable with 3 years or 2 very big years like 2 for 30.

[rmc523]

marte talks apparently went down like this: Marlins offered 4 years 40 million with a 4th year option. Marte then countered with 4 years 45 million all 4 years guaranteed. Miami countered with 3 years 36.5 million. Marte is now in Oakland. If that's what marte gets this offseason, we should be in that market 100%. I wouldn't do 4 years but id feel comfortable with 3 years or 2 very big years like 2 for 30.

He clearly wants 4 years, and wouldn't take 3. why would he take 2?

I agree they should revisit signing him - Oakland isn't resigning him - and hope that his market doesn't materialize like he wants.