July 2021 Game Thread

[Namaste]

If this is the last few games we’ll see of marte it has been an absolute pleasure to watch him on this team. The guy is not a superstar but there really isn’t a part of his game that isn’t at least above average. Guy is a 5 tool player and if he tests the market and doesn’t find a market for over 2 years I would love to re sign him to man centerfield for us

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Total pleasure to watch. It would be so great to have him back for 2022/2023z

[Namaste]

Marlins and Braves are the only 2 NL teams with a positive Run Differential who wouldn’t make the playoffs if the season ended tomorrow

[rmc523]

If this is the last few games we’ll see of marte it has been an absolute pleasure to watch him on this team. The guy is not a superstar but there really isn’t a part of his game that isn’t at least above average. Guy is a 5 tool player and if he tests the market and doesn’t find a market for over 2 years I would love to re sign him to man centerfield for us

I said over at the other forum, they should trade him now, but leave their offer on the table for him in case offers from other teams don't exceed it, and if he truly wants to be here, shouldn't our offer win over another if they were about equal?

They can't wait forever if they (hopefully) want to actually sign some players, but they should have it out there for him to possibly take.

[fish16]

I said over at the other forum, they should trade him now, but leave their offer on the table for him in case offers from other teams don't exceed it, and if he truly wants to be here, shouldn't our offer win over another if they were about equal?

They can't wait forever if they (hopefully) want to actually sign some players, but they should have it out there for him to possibly take.

absolutely. if they can deal him, get a pretty good prospect for him, and then re-sign him in the offseason if the market for free agents is still bad that would be an amazing turn of events. do what the Yankees did with Chapman a few years back.

[fish16]

i really like what i see from lewin diaz when he's up here. id like to see aguilar traded for whatever we can get and let lewin take his lumps at the big league level the rest of the year. Aguilar is going to be non tendered anyways in the offseason so seeing what we can get for him now and allowing our best 1b prospect to prove himself for a few months would be something id like to see.

Lewin has pure power that we don't really have much in the minors outside of Burdick/conine and both of those guys come with their own set of weaknesses. Given we have nothing at 1b if he can come up and be a guy who hits .250, OPS in the .800's, and give us 30 hr's a year with great defense at first it would be enormous.

Another thing I'm interested to see is what happens if a lot of these prospects pan out because we have a lot of lefties in the upper minors. Jazz, Sanchez, Lewin, Bleday, Conine, Misner, and Scott are all lefties. If we do go after a guy in the trade market I would be shocked if its another lefty.

Also, it is quite apparent that jesus sanchez actually got covid at this point. Hopefully it didn't affect him too much and he can come back and pick up where he left off. wish he would just get fucking vaccinated but too late now.

[gustavopim]

i really like what i see from lewin diaz when he's up here. id like to see aguilar traded for whatever we can get and let lewin take his lumps at the big league level the rest of the year. Aguilar is going to be non tendered anyways in the offseason so seeing what we can get for him now and allowing our best 1b prospect to prove himself for a few months would be something id like to see.

Lewin has pure power that we don't really have much in the minors outside of Burdick/conine and both of those guys come with their own set of weaknesses. Given we have nothing at 1b if he can come up and be a guy who hits .250, OPS in the .800's, and give us 30 hr's a year with great defense at first it would be enormous.

Another thing I'm interested to see is what happens if a lot of these prospects pan out because we have a lot of lefties in the upper minors. Jazz, Sanchez, Lewin, Bleday, Conine, Misner, and Scott are all lefties. If we do go after a guy in the trade market I would be shocked if its another lefty.

Also, it is quite apparent that jesus sanchez actually got covid at this point. Hopefully it didn't affect him too much and he can come back and pick up where he left off. wish he would just get fucking vaccinated but too late now.

I don't know what world you live in, but there is no way Aguilar is getting non tendered next year with the DH coming to the NL. Aguilar is one of our most steady hitters and will finish the season with 25-30 HR and close to 100RBI.

Here is from Mish just now " Craig Mish
Marlins 1B Jesus Aguilar wants to stay and Miami has interest in extending him through 2023. There predictably has been a lot of interest in him and another tough decision coming there. Marlins are not moving shortstop Miguel Rojas."

[Nick]

I don't think Aguilar being non-tendered is so far-fetched, but I at least have enough faith in this front office, that if the plan was to non-tender him anyway, that they would be dealing him at the deadline. I don't see us refusing to deal him at the deadline like Mish suggests, and then also non-tendering him in the offseason.

[fish16]

I don't know what world you live in, but there is no way Aguilar is getting non tendered next year with the DH coming to the NL. Aguilar is one of our most steady hitters and will finish the season with 25-30 HR and close to 100RBI.

Here is from Mish just now " Craig Mish
Marlins 1B Jesus Aguilar wants to stay and Miami has interest in extending him through 2023. There predictably has been a lot of interest in him and another tough decision coming there. Marlins are not moving shortstop Miguel Rojas."

aguilar will be getting 10+ million in arbitration. Do we know for 100% fact that the DH is back next year for good? I hadnt heard that. that would change my outlook but i would imagine if he is back here at all, it will be with either a non tender and then a re-signing or a multi year deal for much less on an annual basis than the 10+ million he would get in arbitration.

Unless the DH is 100% certain to come back next year which, like i said, i wasnt aware of, he wont be back next year unless he signs a cheap 2 year deal.

[fish16]

they can also deal him in the offseason before they need to make a decision to non tender him but given lewin diaz's need to get consistent big league ab's, aguilar should be traded by Friday unless like you said the DH is a 100% certainty next year.

[fish16]

also, more than half the league hits 25-30 hr's at this point and rbi's arent an important stat in modern baseball compared to other more important numbers to look at. Aguilar, while I love the energy he brings to the team, has a .791 OPS this year, isn't a great defender, and runs like he has an anchor attached to him. Plus he's 31. He will absolutely be non tendered if he isn't traded or they don't agree to a cheaper 2 year type deal.

[Nick]

they can also deal him in the offseason before they need to make a decision to non tender him but given lewin diaz's need to get consistent big league ab's, aguilar should be traded by Friday unless like you said the DH is a 100% certainty next year.

You lose any type of leverage if you're trying to deal him right before you non-tender him.

[fish16]

You lose any type of leverage if you're trying to deal him right before you non-tender him.

absolutely, which is why i would deal him in the next 2 days.

[lou]

Some over thinking last few dozen posts for me.

They need lefty relievers - Aguilar, Yimi, other RHP. Get two of them. Aguilar would 100% be non-tendered and is valueless after this trade deadline. It's now or never for him and target play now (or soon) lefty arms. They need to see if Lewin can be a platoon starter (at minimum).

Marte needs to get a premium C, 2B/SS, or CF who can play June 2022 latest. They clearly have money (or pitching depth) to get the rest.

Alfaro, _____
Lewin, Cooper
Jazz, Berti/Diaz/Brigham
_____, Rojas
Anderson
Sanchez
_______, Harrison/Brinson/Sierra/Literally whoever
Duvall

Feel free to shift Jazz to SS and get a 2B instead. If a DH is added, it's easy to slot in Cooper.

The blank lines are easy - One for Marte, Two in Free agency (or trade a major RHP starting pitcher (Pablo or Cabrera more than likely) for one, and pray it doesn't backfire). You absolutely keep Sandy. I don't understand talk about that one.

Once they get the lefty arms, pitching is easy to pencil in next year:

Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, Sixto, Hernandez/Cabrera/Thompson/Poteet/Neidert
Bender, Bass, Floro, Holloway, Curtiss, extras from above
Bleier, young lefty battle from guys obtained for Aguilar, etc.


That team looks great on paper (even if one of those SP is off the team for a bat, as Meyer, etc. are behind this) if those three blank lines are 1500+ good/great PA. I think that is doable with what they can trade now and the open payroll they have.

Like we all have said, if they don't spend now, they never will.

[Erick]

I hope it all works for the best, but not signing Marte while 100% wanting to keep Rojas and Aguilar while their value is probably high seems kind of weird.

And I say this as someone who really likes Rojas and Aguilar as a fan and would like to see them here when we’re winning again. Emotions aside though, it seems to not be the right strategy.

Especially with Aguilar, it seems like quite a risk. Based on Mish’s reports though, he will likely be back next season.

[lou]

I hope it all works for the best, but not signing Marte while 100% wanting to keep Rojas and Aguilar while their value is probably high seems kind of weird.

And I say this as someone who really likes Rojas and Aguilar as a fan and would like to see them here when we’re winning again. Emotions aside though, it seems to not be the right strategy.

Especially with Aguilar, it seems like quite a risk. Based on Mish’s reports though, he will likely be back next season.

I don't think you are getting a difference maker for either, but I think you keep Rojas because playoff contending clubs have players like him on their bench. Aguilar would be a $100m+ payroll luxury player to me. They aren't doing that imo.

Rojas is an incredible insurance policy for all infielders (on defense alone, ignoring he can hit just enough to be solid anywhere these days), and given the Marlins depth chart, it'll be impossible for him not to get 450-500PA even off the bench. That's worth it to keep him. He's a keep.

They need to transition to "contending" and not just selling to sell. They have widespread youth, clear payroll, and a top 5 farm. They don't need to keep kicking the can down the road, especially for middling guys. They need to move contending and quality in prospects over quantity.

Just saying. We'll see what they do but Marte for a C, 2B/SS, CF and Aguilar/Yimi and other RHP in the current bullpen for lefty relievers is all I want to see.

Then it's time for a Sandy arb buyout, and maybe buying low on getting 2 free agency years of Anderson coming off an injury