July 2021 Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

You really have to hope they get one OF starter out of Bleday, Burdick, Misner, Scott, and Jerar (.....and Brinson, Harrison, Sierra, De La Cruz, VVM, Conine, etc.) That is A LOT of resources spent on figuring out your OF and "Nick Anderson" has turned into your only viable one.

They can probably wait a year and give everyone 2022 to develop more, but they'll have to go out and get someone for 2023 if all of this doesn't turn into at least a corner OF. (I'm working under the assumption Sanchez works out, they get a longterm CF this offseason, and Cooper/De La Cruz/rotating guys are worth the other spot until the trade deadline).

To mention, Misner has had a stupid BABIP since moving up levels. I wouldn't go as far as a good season, but he and Scott have definitely been better. I'm cautiously optimistic on them having their tools take over as they get older and a year past the lost pandemic season. We'll see.


Nothing changes here for me. They need three bats for next year, or four if they trade/DFA one of Cooper/Aguilar.

A K Marte/C Kelly deal with Arizona remains the most obvious option for an immediate injection of talent to the daily lineup. Meyer, Cabrera, Burdick, Salas, Fulton, something like that, might get it done.

Josh Lowe (CF) and Vidal Brujan (2B) should also be discussed with the Rays.

[gustavopim]

23 pick offs this year and Mattingly is supposed to be a good manager that gets the best out of his players. What a joke

[Nick]

I don't know if you can blame the pickoffs on Mattingly. Players should know how to run the bases by the time they get to the big leagues.

[Maddawg]

Why can't we have a Salvador Perez ?

[Namaste]

I’m very excited that we have an elite defensive first baseman who had potential to put up power numbers.

[lou]

23 pick offs this year and Mattingly is supposed to be a good manager that gets the best out of his players. What a joke

Is there a way to sort this by player easily?

[lou]

Why can't we have a Salvador Perez ?

The Marlins did but opted to not give Realmuto a 5 year contract after 2017, for his age 27-31 seasons. Given how poorly catchers are treated in arbitration, he was not a high draft pick to have had a huge initial signing bonus, and that he was 3 years from free agency, they could have probably done this for around 5/$40 - that's 5/$37 with a $3 buyout or 6/$50-55 range.

Or you could have done it again after 2018 for his age 28-32 seasons, but after 2 years of elite performance, maybe that deal is in the 5/$65-70 range or 6/$80ish.

Let's see if they make the same mistake with Sandy.

[Lee Stone]

The Marlins did but opted to not give Realmuto a 5 year contract after 2017, for his age 27-31 seasons. Given how poorly catchers are treated in arbitration, he was not a high draft pick to have had a huge initial signing bonus, and that he was 3 years from free agency, they could have probably done this for around 5/$40 - that's 5/$37 with a $3 buyout or 6/$50-55 range.

Or you could have done it again after 2018 for his age 28-32 seasons, but after 2 years of elite performance, maybe that deal is in the 5/$65-70 range or 6/$80ish.

Let's see if they make the same mistake with Sandy.

Wouldn't be the same mistake. Realmuto was pretty irreplaceable. Lopez, Rogers, and perhaps Meyer, Cabrera, Sanchez, Eder, Nicolas, and Perez are all likely to be very good starters. I'd look at trading Sandy if he brought back a really top notch CF, C, or 2B.

Cedric Mullins is almost 27 and has four controllable years ... What would you be willing to give up for a 6+WAR player like that? Meyer, Fulton, Nicolas, and Watson? Or how about Bleday, Burdick, Salas, Misner, Lewis, and Perez?

[lou]

Wouldn't be the same mistake. Realmuto was pretty irreplaceable. Lopez, Rogers, and perhaps Meyer, Cabrera, Sanchez, Eder, Nicolas, and Perez are all likely to be very good starters. I'd look at trading Sandy if he brought back a really top notch CF, C, or 2B.

Cedric Mullins is almost 27 and has four controllable years ... What would you be willing to give up for a 6+WAR player like that? Meyer, Fulton, Nicolas, and Watson? Or how about Bleday, Burdick, Salas, Misner, Lewis, and Perez?

You are exceptionally wrong here. You never trade a player like Sandy. He is MORE valuable right now than Realmuto at any point in his Marlins career. I wouldn't trade Sandy for nearly everyone in baseball. It would take Soto, Guerrero, Acuna, Ohtani, W. Franco, Rutshcman, and... that may be the whole list. No pitchers besides Ohtani. No prospect packages. His years of control/contract status are incredible for his performance and age. There aren't 200 inning workhorse ace level pitchers left in baseball. He is a piece every contender needs. You're really so far off base here I can't even respond. Realmuto was awesome as a Marlin, but its not comparable to a legitimate # 1 SP ace. Also, Fulton, Nicolas, and Perez may not be up for years. They can't be discussed as right now pitching replacements. The Marlins need Sandy desperately. He (and Rogers) are the only untouchables in the organization.

I'm not interested in Mullins unless it's cheap. My opinion will change if he does it again next year. They shouldn't sell the house on a 1 year potential wonder.

Ketel is the smartest idea, or going again for Marsh (LAA) as they really need cheap pitching and they have 4 longterm OF. Pablo makes a lot of sense for them. Hell, I'd trade the house for Ketel/Kelly (Meyer, Watson, Fulton) and trade for Marsh (Pablo). Marlins have the depth to make it work and would still have money for a major free agent.

[Lee Stone]

Brandon Marsh is no Bryan De La Cruz for goodness sakes. You'd trade a Pablo Lopez for the likes of him?

[lou]

Brandon Marsh is no Bryan De La Cruz for goodness sakes. You'd trade a Pablo Lopez for the likes of him?

Not a single talent evaluator would take De Le Cruz over Marsh. Not 1. I'm just going to leave that at that.

Marsh is a FV60 prospect, 11th overall in baseball before the year. He's certainly a centerpiece for Pablo (other parts will have to be in that deal). LAA has a glut of outfielders and need cheap pitching. This is a good match. Remember, they turned down Meyer for Marsh. We all love Meyer (right?).

[rmc523]

You are exceptionally wrong here. You never trade a player like Sandy. He is MORE valuable right now than Realmuto at any point in his Marlins career. I wouldn't trade Sandy for nearly everyone in baseball. It would take Soto, Guerrero, Acuna, Ohtani, W. Franco, Rutshcman, and... that may be the whole list. No pitchers besides Ohtani. No prospect packages. His years of control/contract status are incredible for his performance and age. There aren't 200 inning workhorse ace level pitchers left in baseball. He is a piece every contender needs. You're really so far off base here I can't even respond. Realmuto was awesome as a Marlin, but its not comparable to a legitimate # 1 SP ace. Also, Fulton, Nicolas, and Perez may not be up for years. They can't be discussed as right now pitching replacements. The Marlins need Sandy desperately. He (and Rogers) are the only untouchables in the organization.

I'm not interested in Mullins unless it's cheap. My opinion will change if he does it again next year. They shouldn't sell the house on a 1 year potential wonder.

Ketel is the smartest idea, or going again for Marsh (LAA) as they really need cheap pitching and they have 4 longterm OF. Pablo makes a lot of sense for them. Hell, I'd trade the house for Ketel/Kelly (Meyer, Watson, Fulton) and trade for Marsh (Pablo). Marlins have the depth to make it work and would still have money for a major free agent.

Whatever trades they make, I want them to be for proven ML guys of some sort - I know not every prospect will be Brinson, but we've gotten enough prospect "should be great" guys. We need proven players.....

....if they actually want to compete that is. If they're satisfied treading water and cashing their checks, then more prospects it'll be.

[Madman81]

even ignoring how de la cruz is plummeting back towards earth now, imagine determining a guy is a star by weighing 2 months of fluke high-babip results against his entire minor league track record.

[lou]

Whatever trades they make, I want them to be for proven ML guys of some sort - I know not every prospect will be Brinson, but we've gotten enough prospect "should be great" guys. We need proven players.....

....if they actually want to compete that is. If they're satisfied treading water and cashing their checks, then more prospects it'll be.

Yep. It's why selling the house for Ketel/Kelly is perfect. Arizona sucks and Marlins can unload their farm and not impact MLB roster. However, I do think you can target someone like Marsh on top of that. Getting a young guy that highly sought after only helps.

But they absolutely need the premium proven bat. They should honestly just sign two of them (S. Marte, pick an infielder), and maybe do a lower pitching trade (Hernandez/Thompson) for a third one.

They will be so good if they just spend some money rather than playing a game of how to fit in a contending team under $65 million.

[Lee Stone]

Not a single talent evaluator would take De Le Cruz over Marsh. Not 1. I'm just going to leave that at that.

Marsh is a FV60 prospect, 11th overall in baseball before the year. He's certainly a centerpiece for Pablo (other parts will have to be in that deal). LAA has a glut of outfielders and need cheap pitching. This is a good match. Remember, they turned down Meyer for Marsh. We all love Meyer (right?).

JJ Bleday enjoyed similar status ... until ... like Marsh ... he proved to be ineffectual with the bat.

Not a single talent evaluator would take De Le Cruz over Marsh. Not 1. I'm just going to leave that at that.

Marlin talent evaluators put Bleday ahead of CJ Abrams. Oops.