July 2021 Game Thread

[Nick]

fortes seems like a worse receiver than alfaro, so hopefully that's just a short term fluke

Yeah he had a rough go of it, behind the plate last night. We'll see if that was just a bad night, or if it'll be a continuing problem.

[fish16]

So for next year I see it as follows and if they spend money this can easily be a contender next year if sixto is healthy:

C- Trade for Campusano with pablo/ Pablo
1b- Lewin/ Aguilar & Cooper
2b- Jazz
SS- Rojas
3b- Bryant/Anderson
LF- Sanchez
CF- Duvall type flier/ De La Cruz
RF- Bryant/Anderson
DH- Aguilar and Cooper for the 50 games he's healthy


SP- Sandy, Rogers, Sixto, Cabrera, Elieser/Thompson every 5th day for 4 good innings each


I love marte and obviously he would be great to get back but I think bryant gives us the impact power bat that we need and his versatility will be huge as we try to evaluate the corner OF prospects and as we monitor BA's health. He can play 3b, 1b, RF. and LF so i'd much rather that moving forward than a pure SS who will cost a ton at a position that we have a ton of talent at, albeit extremely raw. I think you sign Bryant, let Rojas get 1 more year, evaluate the SS prospects as they play next year, and then address long term SS next offseason with another year of evaluation on guys like Watson, Salas, Nunez, Devers, etc.

[Nick]

So for next year I see it as follows and if they spend money this can easily be a contender next year if sixto is healthy:

C- Trade for Campusano with pablo/ Pablo
1b- Lewin/ Aguilar & Cooper
2b- Jazz
SS- Rojas
3b- Bryant/Anderson
LF- Sanchez
CF- Duvall type flier/ De La Cruz
RF- Bryant/Anderson
DH- Aguilar and Cooper for the 50 games he's healthy


SP- Sandy, Rogers, Sixto, Cabrera, Elieser/Thompson every 5th day for 4 good innings each


I love marte and obviously he would be great to get back but I think bryant gives us the impact power bat that we need and his versatility will be huge as we try to evaluate the corner OF prospects and as we monitor BA's health. He can play 3b, 1b, RF. and LF so i'd much rather that moving forward than a pure SS who will cost a ton at a position that we have a ton of talent at, albeit extremely raw. I think you sign Bryant, let Rojas get 1 more year, evaluate the SS prospects as they play next year, and then address long term SS next offseason with another year of evaluation on guys like Watson, Salas, Nunez, Devers, etc.

I'm with you on getting Campusano for Pablo, I wonder if there'd be a way to eat some of their payroll and also get Robert Hassell.

Something Like:

Padres get:

Pablo
Cooper
McCambley

Marlins get:

Luis Campusano
Robert Hassell III
Wil Myers
Drew Pomeranz

So, Myers and Pomeranz are owed $41 million over the next two seasons. (Myers 1 year/$20 million + $1 million buyout, Pomeranz 2 years / $10 million each) Maybe you get the Padres to eat about $12 million to make it more palatable. (So maybe $20 million extra payroll in 2022, and $9 million extra in 2023) But this way, you fill 3 of the 5 spots I talked about in one shot. Pomeranz has had injury issues this year, but healthy he fills that lefty-reliever spot perfectly. You get one year of Myers to lock down that corner OF spot I talked about, and maybe you sign somebody like Leury Garcia to a one-year deal to split time with De La Cruz and Myers and also gives you more versatility off the bench. After 1 year, Myers and Garcia come off the books, and some combination of Bleday, Burdick, Conine, Hassell and Misner should be ready to rock in the OF. Then all you have to do is go out and get a closer IMO, and we have an interesting team next year, and really interesting going forward.

[Namaste]

As great as the Sanchez for Nick Anderson trade looks, the Duvall for Alex Jackson trade is hysterical.

[Nick]

As great as the Sanchez for Nick Anderson trade looks, the Duvall for Alex Jackson trade is hysterical.

eh, if he was going to opt out at the end of the season, you need to get something for him. It was worth taking a flyer on a guy with potential at a position of need. Jackson needs to cut the K's down by a ton, probably by more than will ever happen, but we've seen catchers emerge at a later age recently it's not out of the realm of possibility. Adam Duvall is still sporting a .284 OBP this year, this is not a great player by any means, he's a guy that's going to go from 1-year contract to one year contract for the rest of his career and be pretty good.

[fish16]

As great as the Sanchez for Nick Anderson trade looks, the Duvall for Alex Jackson trade is hysterical.

jackson is terrible but I'm ok with it. clearly they felt he would opt out of his option for next year and not come back so I'm ok with taking a swing on a guy with potential. Unfortunately as it turns out the only potential that Jackson has is the potential to strike out in 60% of his ab's.

As you said though, Sanchez for Anderson and Lewin for Romo could turn out to be 2 enormous moves. It's why you always deal good relievers on bad teams if you can get a highly regarded every day player. Should have done it with Steckenrider and Conley when they had the chance that year. Steckenrider has actually re-established himself pretty well in Seattle.

[fish16]

I'm with you on getting Campusano for Pablo, I wonder if there'd be a way to eat some of their payroll and also get Robert Hassell.

Something Like:

Padres get:

Pablo
Cooper
McCambley

Marlins get:

Luis Campusano
Robert Hassell III
Wil Myers
Drew Pomeranz

So, Myers and Pomeranz are owed $41 million over the next two seasons. (Myers 1 year/$20 million + $1 million buyout, Pomeranz 2 years / $10 million each) Maybe you get the Padres to eat about $12 million to make it more palatable. (So maybe $20 million extra payroll in 2022, and $9 million extra in 2023) But this way, you fill 3 of the 5 spots I talked about in one shot. Pomeranz has had injury issues this year, but healthy he fills that lefty-reliever spot perfectly. You get one year of Myers to lock down that corner OF spot I talked about, and maybe you sign somebody like Leury Garcia to a one-year deal to split time with De La Cruz and Myers and also gives you more versatility off the bench. After 1 year, Myers and Garcia come off the books, and some combination of Bleday, Burdick, Conine, Hassell and Misner should be ready to rock in the OF. Then all you have to do is go out and get a closer IMO, and we have an interesting team next year, and really interesting going forward.

I get the idea, but I don't see this front office taking on that kind of money even if the value makes it make sense. Until otherwise proven, I'm gonna go with the assumption that they wont spend money in creative ways like that to get more talent or an additional piece in a deal.

My concern now, and this was why I was very in favor of dealing pablo prior to the deadline before he got hurt, is that Pablo's value cant be too high right now with the constant shoulder injuries. He's never pitched more than 110 innings in any year. He will obviously have some value, but I see a deal for him this offseason being either a 1 for 1 or a 1 for 2, not the big time 3 or 4 prospect haul he might get with no injury history given how good he is when he is available.

[Namaste]

eh, if he was going to opt out at the end of the season, you need to get something for him. It was worth taking a flyer on a guy with potential at a position of need. Jackson needs to cut the K's down by a ton, probably by more than will ever happen, but we've seen catchers emerge at a later age recently it's not out of the realm of possibility. Adam Duvall is still sporting a .284 OBP this year, this is not a great player by any means, he's a guy that's going to go from 1-year contract to one year contract for the rest of his career and be pretty good.

He has a 2.5 WAR. Speaking from a strictly super fan 99 season ticket holder point of view, it would have felt great to have him for the rest of the year instead of the strike out King.

I understand the baseball is a business aspect of it.

[fish16]

id strongly hesitate to trade him because I think if used like the rays would use him he could become an all star caliber reliever weapon or 4 inning starter, but Elieser Hernandez to me would have a lot of value in a trade market. If he doesn't he is a great cheap trade candidate for a smart team out there. A team like the rays would use him like they used Trevor Richards, as a spot starter/multi inning reliever, and turn him into a piece that is a lot more valuable than they would be if you try to force him to be a starter and go 6 innings all the time.

In an ideal world, next year the marlins figure out how to get creative with him and Zach Thompson and get aggregate performances equal to a high-quality starter. Either use them both as great multi-inning relievers or stack them together every 5th day. I think between the 2 of them as co-5th starters you can get mid-rotation performance combined and that's being conservative IMO. That's the type of forward-thinking, greater than the sum of their parts thinking, that a smart team would do to get the most out of those 2 guys and get top of the rotation level production from the last spot in the rotation.

[fish16]

if he cant find a multi year deal I would have no hesitation bringing back duvall as long as they are relying on him more as a 6th or 7th hitter instead of 3rd or 4th. He produces but his streakiness is something that is great but cant be relied on as a main part of your offense.

Him and Marte as FA's and a trade for campusano would be welcomed with open arms for me.

C- Campusano
1b- Lewin
2b- Jazz
SS- Rojas
3b- Anderson
LF- Duvall
CF- Marte
RF- Sanchez
DH- Aguilar and Cooper's healthy 3 weeks of the year.

Unless sanchez explodes like Soto it would still be missing that star level, .900+ OPS guy, but that's a really solid, deep group that balances the high K guys with nice contact guys like Rojas, Marte, and Anderson when he's healthy and its a healthier balance of veterans you can theoretically count on to produce and high potential prospects/young guys like Campusano, Lewin, Jazz, and Sanchez.

[Nick]

if he cant find a multi year deal I would have no hesitation bringing back duvall as long as they are relying on him more as a 6th or 7th hitter instead of 3rd or 4th. He produces but his streakiness is something that is great but cant be relied on as a main part of your offense.

Him and Marte as FA's and a trade for campusano would be welcomed with open arms for me.

C- Campusano
1b- Lewin
2b- Jazz
SS- Rojas
3b- Anderson
LF- Duvall
CF- Marte
RF- Sanchez
DH- Aguilar and Cooper's healthy 3 weeks of the year.

Unless sanchez explodes like Soto it would still be missing that star level, .900+ OPS guy, but that's a really solid, deep group that balances the high K guys with nice contact guys like Rojas, Marte, and Anderson when he's healthy and its a healthier balance of veterans you can theoretically count on to produce and high potential prospects/young guys like Campusano, Lewin, Jazz, and Sanchez.

How much do you spend on Duvall, though? If he opts out, he's opting out of $7 million. So he must be sure that he gets more than that. Do you wanna spend $9-$10 million on Duvall? Maybe. I certainly don't want to go more than one year with Duvall, though.

[Nick]

Fortes does it again.

[fish16]

if fortes can hit 3 homers every 10 ab's for the rest of his career like he started this past week we might have found a keeper. At the very least its a positive sign for him even as a potential backup

[Madman81]

it's a fluke

[Nick]

it's a fluke

It is, he's had similar hot streaks in both AA and AAA this year, although not with this much power. I do think there's potential there as maybe a hit first backup, if he can be an average defensive catcher.