July 2021 Game Thread

[lou]

cant ask for much more from cabrera in his big league debut. Please god just get us to next opening day with a healthy Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, Sixto, and Cabrera.

Need to move Pablo for a bat, but they may keep Hernandez too, and Thompson/Luzardo is also fine behind him, with Meyer and Eder presumably coming mid-season with how they are throwing. And Poteet, Neidert, and Garrett still can all be decent enough 5s.

I'm also beginning to wonder if Thompson is so good/real Sixto is just moved to the bullpen. He has always had reliever risk in every scouting projection for years, and combined with his injury risk, size (Sandy, Rogers, Cabrera, and Thompson are all giants), and depth, they may just want/need premium reliever innings. Basically, Sixto becomes Alex Reyes overnight. Could happen.

I can see this happening:

Sandy, Rogers, Cabrera, Thompson, Luzardo/Garett/Poteet/Neidert
Sixto, Bender, Floro, Bass, Pop/Campbell/Holloway/Poteet/Neidert
Bleier, "TBD new lefty", Garrett/Luzardo/Guenther/Okert

No Pablo or Hernandez there which is totally insane as that is a good team's 3/4 SP, and Meyer and Eder coming fast.

Just a thought.

Also, it would be nice if they just kept everyone and signed bats as they have the money. Beat your chest with this. It's an incredible depth chart.

Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, Cabrera, Thompson/Sixto
Bender, Floro, Bass, Hernandez, Thompson/Sixto
Bleier, Luzardo, "TBD new lefty"/Garrett

[Lee Stone]

If the team can't come to an extension agreement with Alcantara (certainly possible), I can see him getting moved this winter. I'd hate to see that because he and Cabrera would look so good in the rotation together.

How much would it take to get Alcantara on board for say six years (buy out of three arb years plus free agency)? $60M?

[fish16]

sixto should absolutely not be made a reliever unless he gets injured several more times the next few years. Especially if the person we are doing that for is zach thompson. Luzardo on the other hand strikes me as a guy who might become an Andrew miller type reliever if he cant get it together as a starter.

[rmc523]

sixto should absolutely not be made a reliever unless he gets injured several more times the next few years. Especially if the person we are doing that for is zach thompson. Luzardo on the other hand strikes me as a guy who might become an Andrew miller type reliever if he cant get it together as a starter.

He’s been nothing but injured and poorly conditioned. I don’t have confidence in him holding up as a starter.

[lou]

If the team can't come to an extension agreement with Alcantara (certainly possible), I can see him getting moved this winter. I'd hate to see that because he and Cabrera would look so good in the rotation together.

Nah, you keep him year to year

[Nick]

Sixto just turned 23. Moving him to reliever shouldn’t even be in our heads. Same with Luzardo. Guys who are good candidates for relief next year: Nick Neidert, Elieser, Garrett, Holloway, M.D. Johnson, Antonio Velez.

[lou]

sixto should absolutely not be made a reliever unless he gets injured several more times the next few years. Especially if the person we are doing that for is zach thompson. Luzardo on the other hand strikes me as a guy who might become an Andrew miller type reliever if he cant get it together as a starter.

You do it because Meyer and Eder are coming fast, not because of solely Thompson. He is the placeholder (but maybe more?) behind a presumably Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, and/or Cabrera.

[Namaste]

I love watching Sixto pitch but it’s obvious he does not take conditioning as serious as he should. You only have to look at photos of him.

He’s a 23 year old professional athlete. He should be in better shape.

[lou]

Sixto just turned 23. Moving him to reliever shouldn’t even be in our heads. Same with Luzardo. Guys who are good candidates for relief next year: Nick Neidert, Elieser, Garrett, Holloway, M.D. Johnson, Antonio Velez.

Everyone is a potential reliever besides Sandy, Rogers, and Pablo.

It's also not an insult. Some guys are better as relievers - Chapman being the most obvious who the Marlins wanted as a starter and they certainly were wrong

[Nick]

Everyone is a potential reliever besides Sandy, Rogers, and Pablo.

It's also not an insult. Some guys are better as relievers - Chapman being the most obvious who the Marlins wanted as a starter and they certainly were wrong

Sixto has started a handful of games in the big leagues and was very effective. You don’t move him to the bullpen after a lost year. There is no proof that moving him to reliever will fix his injury and conditioning issues.

There are absolutely guys you should not be moving to reliever next year and that includes all of the 2020 draft picks, they should be building up their innings. If you’re in a pennant race in August and September and your rotation is healthy then you maybe think about utilizing Meyer or Eder in the pen, but beyond that they should be starting.

[lou]

Sixto has started a handful of games in the big leagues and was very effective. You don’t move him to the bullpen after a lost year. There is no proof that moving him to reliever will fix his injury and conditioning issues.

There are absolutely guys you should not be moving to reliever next year and that includes all of the 2020 draft picks, they should be building up their innings. If you’re in a pennant race in August and September and your rotation is healthy then you maybe think about utilizing Meyer or Eder in the pen, but beyond that they should be starting.

I think they need to put their best 13 arms (excluding only Meyer and Eder, they should have service time deflected until June) onto the MLB squad to open the season. I don't care how it lands with who has what role. It's time to win. They need to obliterate people with pitching as clearly they won't be a top hitting team even with additions.

I was just saying, I can see them taking a big name and making someone a reliever. We'll see, but big picture, best possible outcome for me is Sandy, Rogers, Sixto, Cabrera, and Luzardo, with Hernandez and Thompson stretched out in the pen as long relievers and your 6th/7th SP, and Pablo is the only arm sacrificed for a longterm C, 2B/SS, or CF bat. Who knows if the ideal scenario happens.

[fish16]

moving sixto to the bullpen before a few more injuries is one of the more absurd suggestions. The guy is an ace level pitcher. you ride him till he absolutely has no other choice than to be a bullpen arm due to years of injuries.

[fish16]

You do it because Meyer and Eder are coming fast, not because of solely Thompson. He is the placeholder (but maybe more?) behind a presumably Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, and/or Cabrera.

meyer and eder are AA pitchers who have proven nothing on a big league level. Thompson is a 27 year old journey man who has been a great find but isnt a long term starter unless they got extremely lucky and he just happened to find something when he got into our organization. Sixto is a top of the rotation talent, a consensus top 20-30 prospect in all of baseball when he was still eligible, who proved that at the big league level in his first taste of the big leagues. He is not a candidate to get moved to the bullpen under any circumstances unless there are 2-3 more years of injuries.

[lou]

moving sixto to the bullpen before a few more injuries is one of the more absurd suggestions. The guy is an ace level pitcher. you ride him till he absolutely has no other choice than to be a bullpen arm due to years of injuries.

And 3 weeks ago Brinson turned a corner and his hot streak was for real. Let's not over-hype our own guys.

[lou]

meyer and eder are AA pitchers who have proven nothing on a big league level. Thompson is a 27 year old journey man who has been a great find but isnt a long term starter unless they got extremely lucky and he just happened to find something when he got into our organization. Sixto is a top of the rotation talent, a consensus top 20-30 prospect in all of baseball when he was still eligible, who proved that at the big league level in his first taste of the big leagues. He is not a candidate to get moved to the bullpen under any circumstances unless there are 2-3 more years of injuries.

MLB has him 45, so maybe not a consensus. But he's obviously still a tremendous prospect. To note, I've seen other reports move him (and Bleday) way down due to their seasons, or lack thereof, this year. And all scouting reports have always said there is reliever risk with Sixto since his days with the Phillies. Small frame, fastball has elite speed but doesn't miss enough bats for some reason, etc. I'm just stating things others have said. Getting militant over a thought that I can see the Marlins doing some RP conversions, not advocating for a specific guy, is pretty silly. Fact is, some guys are turning into relievers sooner rather than later. It's just a question of who and when. Given that Hernandez and Cabrera are back, Luzardo was acquired, Thompson has emerged, and Sixto will be healthy next year... they aren't going to trade all of these guys for bats and multiple guys are moving to the bullpen. Which again, isn't an insult but they have depth and certain guys may be better as relievers. It's only going to get worse when Meyer/Eder are presumably ready midseason with the way they are throwing.

Relax. We'll see who they trade for bats this offseason and it'll probably slot very obvious from there.