2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[fish16]

Funny I saw that and have been awaiting for fish16's annual rant about trading for Profar for whatever reason.

probably because he would be a phenomenal buy low type of guy, is still somehow only 26, and is the former number 1 prospect in baseball for multiple years. He'd be a great addition if theyd want a bullpen arm or 2 for him. Urena and maybe someone like Brice for him, slot him in there at any of the 5 positions he plays and see if we can have him when he fully breaks out. He had an absymal start to the year but bounced back and had a phenomenal second half with an .821 OPS and more BB's then walks. He's the type of guy id trade for and see if he would be willing to extend his deal before he hits free agency next year. Id give him 3-4 years easily. That would be the perfect addition if he is willing to sign long term, and if not, id still deal for him and maybe you can flip him at the deadline if he breaks out.

[sports24/7]

From Mish:

https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status...186489857?s=20

Craig Mish
@CraigMish
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From what I gathered in speaking to Marlins there is very little shot of a reunion with Ozuna. If it goes to qualifying offer, you can put that at 0%. Not giving up a pick. His agent change was one of the more curious ones of the season.

[lou]

From Mish:

https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status...186489857?s=20

Craig Mish
@CraigMish
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3m
From what I gathered in speaking to Marlins there is very little shot of a reunion with Ozuna. If it goes to qualifying offer, you can put that at 0%. Not giving up a pick. His agent change was one of the more curious ones of the season.

I think the no pick is news. No Rendon, Cole, Ozuna, Wheeler, Ryu, Didi, probably Bumgarner and Donaldson, and maybe Odorizzi, Moustakas, Abreu, and Keuchel

This leaves the pool the opt outs (Strausburg, Grandal, JD, Chapman, Kenley), and guys without QFA - Castellanos, Puig, Hamels, K. Gibson, S. Castro, Avisail, H. Kendrick, Dozier, Asdrubal, C. Dickerson, W. Smith(RP), and any of the probably/maybes above

This really boils down to Strausburg and Castellanos as the only big ticket items without compensation attached, and then it's just solid normal starters guys around them.

It's really looking to me it's Castellanos or bust as I'm not into anyone beyond 2 years in the non-QFA pile (the opt-outs are good, but Strausburg has mileage, not worth investing in C or RP right now, and if you hate Castellanos defense, let's take a look at JD).

I'm still in line with creating a better product and culture, so I'd go for Castellanos, re-sign Castro for 2, sign a SP rehab project like A. Wood, keep Urena and Conley, fill out the bench with Romo, N. Walker, and another veteran infielder guy who can play a few positions

This is going to be $80 million:

Alfaro, Wallach/Heineman/Holaday (pick 1)
Cooper, N. Walker
Isan (Berti)
Rojas (Berti)
S. Castro, Some other veteran, cheap
B. Anderson
Berti, Sierra, Brinson
Castellanos

Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, A. Wood rehab project type (Elisier, Yamamoto, Dugger have options in AAA)
Romo, Stanek, Steckenrider, Brice, Brigham
Garcia, Conley, Quijada/camp lefty battle

And Monte, L. Diaz, Sixto, Neidert, Guzman, and Elisier is probably the mid-season call-up package, with an outside shot for J. Sanchez or Jazz if they really take off

[Nick]

The no pick stance seems like giving themselves a reason to not spend money. Not that we don't need to continue improving the minor league system, but find another way. You're not giving up a top 5 pick or anything. Keep spending on IFAs and the minor league system should be fine if you trust what you've done so far with it.

[rmc523]

That could also just mean they don't want to give up a pick for Ozuna specifically. Whereas a guy like Cole or Rendon are in a different tier, so they'd warrant giving up the pick.

That said, I think the "pick bar" is quite high meaning there are only a few (if not only those two) that can eclipse that value of the pick.

Just to note, Keuchel can't have a QO, as he had one last year and you can only be offered a QO once now.

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Frisaro is reporting this:

https://twitter.com/JoeFrisaro/status/1181363060503654411

Some #Marlins coaching staff news: Catching coach Brian Schneider and bullpen coach Dean Treanor will not be returning in 2020. All on manager Don Mattingly's staff were on 1-yr deals. So decisions still being made on others. Several are expected back.

[lou]

The no pick stance seems like giving themselves a reason to not spend money. Not that we don't need to continue improving the minor league system, but find another way. You're not giving up a top 5 pick or anything. Keep spending on IFAs and the minor league system should be fine if you trust what you've done so far with it.

I agree, but it's supposedly one of the deepest drafts in recent memory so the top 50-60 pick they'd lose might be of higher value. Theoretically.

But, that doesn't matter for Rendon or Cole if they want to go for it.

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Just to note, Keuchel can't have a QO, as he had one last year and you can only be offered a QO once now.

Good catch. I think this is Mouse too then. Not that the Marlins are going to sign those guys though.

[tjfla]

I think the no pick is news. No Rendon, Cole, Ozuna, Wheeler, Ryu, Didi, probably Bumgarner and Donaldson, and maybe Odorizzi, Moustakas, Abreu, and Keuchel

This leaves the pool the opt outs (Strausburg, Grandal, JD, Chapman, Kenley), and guys without QFA - Castellanos, Puig, Hamels, K. Gibson, S. Castro, Avisail, H. Kendrick, Dozier, Asdrubal, C. Dickerson, W. Smith(RP), and any of the probably/maybes above

This really boils down to Strausburg and Castellanos as the only big ticket items without compensation attached, and then it's just solid normal starters guys around them.

It's really looking to me it's Castellanos or bust as I'm not into anyone beyond 2 years in the non-QFA pile (the opt-outs are good, but Strausburg has mileage, not worth investing in C or RP right now, and if you hate Castellanos defense, let's take a look at JD).

I'm still in line with creating a better product and culture, so I'd go for Castellanos, re-sign Castro for 2, sign a SP rehab project like A. Wood, keep Urena and Conley, fill out the bench with Romo, N. Walker, and another veteran infielder guy who can play a few positions

This is going to be $80 million:

Alfaro, Wallach/Heineman/Holaday (pick 1)
Cooper, N. Walker
Isan (Berti)
Rojas (Berti)
S. Castro, Some other veteran, cheap
B. Anderson
Berti, Sierra, Brinson
Castellanos

Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, A. Wood rehab project type (Elisier, Yamamoto, Dugger have options in AAA)
Romo, Stanek, Steckenrider, Brice, Brigham
Garcia, Conley, Quijada/camp lefty battle

And Monte, L. Diaz, Sixto, Neidert, Guzman, and Elisier is probably the mid-season call-up package, with an outside shot for J. Sanchez or Jazz if they really take off

Ya this is something I was talking about last week about 2020 being the last year they can add as much talent as possible. They want as much draft pool $ as possible to draft BPA later and have already mentioned that IF they can get a JT Ginn/Wilcox for 1-2 million less than Hancock at #3 they would take them.

I wouldn't be surprised if they traded Urena after Jan 1 so they could get another pick. With that being said Ozuna is still in play just not very likely-u could sign Ozuna(give up #43) and then trade Urena to a Oakland/TB/? for #38 but very very doubtful

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I agree, but it's supposedly one of the deepest drafts in recent memory so the top 50-60 pick they'd lose might be of higher value. Theoretically.

But, that doesn't matter for Rendon or Cole if they want to go for it.

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Good catch. I think this is Mouse too then. Not that the Marlins are going to sign those guys though.

Not only a deep draft but a very very deep college draft which means u might have HS guys falling based on $$. If u save 1-2 million on pick #3 u could possible have a 1st Rd HS talent fall to 2S or Rd 3

[Lee Stone]

Hunter Pence. I want him to replace Granderson. For basically the same dollars as Grandy last season, he put up numbers that would have paced the Marlins! Entertaining player, even in his later thirties.

[The Canadian]

I cringe when I watch Pence play baseball

[Lee Stone]

I cringe when I watch Pence play baseball

Cringe-worthy ... that's a perfect description. Everything he does seems succinctly out of sync. Odd stance, swing, and especially throwing motion. Fans would love him and the productivity this season was undeniable.

[Nick]

We don't need any more band-aids, ala Walker and Granderson. That's exactly what Pence would be, we should be focused on players that will help us in 2021 and beyond. Also, he had a .590 OPS in 2018, so who the f knows what you'll get out of him next year.

[rmc523]

We don't need any more band-aids, ala Walker and Granderson. That's exactly what Pence would be, we should be focused on players that will help us in 2021 and beyond. Also, he had a .590 OPS in 2018, so who the f knows what you'll get out of him next year.

I mean. The idea of the "band aids" is to have them play well enough to be flipped at the deadline for those that do help us in 2021+. Obviously that didn't work for us.

[Nick]

I mean. The idea of the "band aids" is to have them play well enough to be flipped at the deadline for those that do help us in 2021+. Obviously that didn't work for us.

and it won't happen unless a guy has an all-star level season, which isn't realistic. We couldn't even deal 29-year old Starlin Castro on the last year of his contract.

[andre0814]

I listened to Mish last pod (swings and Mishes) and he said flat out the marlins don't plan on spending this offseason and going forwards they plan to operate like the Oakland. Why do you guys think they will spend any money ? have there been any indications of this?

[lou]

I listened to Mish last pod (swings and Mishes) and he said flat out the marlins don't plan on spending this offseason and going forwards they plan to operate like the Oakland. Why do you guys think they will spend any money ? have there been any indications of this?

Because they already have 20-22 guys for the 25 man roster and they cumulatively are going to cost a low $40 million (with Chen being at least $16 million of that), they can't tank forever (a third brutal year is tough), need a better gate, improve long-term community trust, need momentum for TV rights negotiations, etc.

It's a perfect opportunity to bring in some reasonable players that can be used for now and the future. It's like the Nationals signing Jayson Werth a year early.

They should sign a longterm right handed bat or a good # 3 or better SP to lay the ground work for contending, and then fill out the roster with two Starlin Castro types and not Granderson and Prado.