Bowden: Marlins Trade JT Realmuto to Phillies for Alfaro, Sanchez, Two Others

[fauowls44]

I believe we’re undervaluing Alfaro in the deal. Considering the lack of talent at the position, Alfaro could definitely be a top 10 catcher in the game. He has a lot of raw talent.

A year ago he was a top 100 prospect. I know his K% was terrible last year, but he's only 25 and if he corrects that just a little, he should be a solid MLB catcher for a long time.

[lou]

If you can find players like Fox, Lowe and Solak everywhere, why don't the Marlins have any?

You mean Anderson, Devers, and Holloway?

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Because that's the same level of prospect

[Lee Stone]

Nick???: I know age and level mean absolutely nothing to you, so I don't know what I'm doing here

Good grief. Some kids choose to attend college - that's not a bad thing. It just changes the timing of things. Diaz has been in professional baseball a lot longer than Solak.

[lou]

3rd rounder, throw-in as a non prospect, 20th rounder

[lou]

A year ago he was a top 100 prospect. I know his K% was terrible last year, but he's only 25 and if he corrects that just a little, he should be a solid MLB catcher for a long time.

.406 BABIP. We're talking major adjustments. Even if he gets a little bit better as a player, his average can still drop to .200 fast and then he is a less powerful Zunino instantly. And that is a good backup at best.

I'm most interested in the .782 RHP split. Even if that's inflated by said BABIP, he's a good strong side of a platoon with a 100 OPS RHP drop with his defense. Find a guy who hits lefties and you're looking like a pretty solid 2-3 WAR catcher situation for sure.

[emkayseven]

because of his EV and the fact that he doesn't hit pop-ups and has top-shelf sprint speed he's going to be a legit high BABIP hitter, just not .400s high. A .350 BABIP isn't out of the question.

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also, had trouble blocking pitches but has an absolute cannon (with accuracy) behind the plate. The BABIP is a bit worrisome but I'm not freaked about it and don't see him as a .200 hitter.

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Worth noting that the projection systems are fairly aligned with him and none has this doomsday .200 BA scenario:. Steamer has him at .234/.285/.383, 11 HR 42 RBI. If there are adjustments he can make (Rosenthal said today some of our hitting guys saw changes they think would help) to cut down on K's then as far as I'm concerned, that's the floor. And I'm okay with that and plus plus defense under team control for 5 years.

[geemoney]

Heyman says Marlins offered Realmuto about $60 million over 5 years (comps to Martin, McCann) while Realmuto's team was looking for Posey money (around $167 million).

[Nick]

Heyman says Marlins offered Realmuto about $60 million over 5 years (comps to Martin, McCann) while Realmuto's team was looking for Posey money (around $167 million).

About equally absurd I'd say.

[lou]

because of his EV and the fact that he doesn't hit pop-ups and has top-shelf sprint speed he's going to be a legit high BABIP hitter, just not .400s high. A .350 BABIP isn't out of the question.

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also, had trouble blocking pitches but has an absolute cannon (with accuracy) behind the plate. The BABIP is a bit worrisome but I'm not freaked about it and don't see him as a .200 hitter.

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Worth noting that the projection systems are fairly aligned with him and none has this doomsday .200 BA scenario:. Steamer has him at .234/.285/.383, 11 HR 42 RBI. If there are adjustments he can make (Rosenthal said today some of our hitting guys saw changes they think would help) to cut down on K's then as far as I'm concerned, that's the floor. And I'm okay with that and plus plus defense under team control for 5 years.

If that is his overall slash floor, it upticks to .700+ vs RHP, and his defense holds, they are certainly in business if they find someone who can hit lefties. I'm cautiously optimistic here.

It would be really great if they could find someone like Barnes who can hit lefties (.794 OPS career) and play in the field.

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About equally absurd I'd say.

Yes, $60 is absurd, $80 was the number.

[Lee Stone]

Yes, $60 is absurd, $80 was the number.

Agree. Takes him through age 34 season.

[lou]

Yes, $60 is absurd, $80 was the number.

Agree. Takes him through age 34 season.

A 5 year $80 million deal would be ages 28-32. You're pushing probably $120 to get him two through 34, which you wouldn't need to do as there is real leverage with 2 years from FA.

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::patiently awaits for Lee to remind us all catchers are replaceable and none have ever been a core playoff team member despite the fact they clearly have::

[Nick]

Realmuto sucks, all catchers are replaceable, and also we didn't get enough for Realmuto.

[lou]

Realmuto sucks, all catchers are replaceable, and also we didn't get enough for Realmuto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UdsVO7HaJg

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[tjfla]

Jon Heyman
Verified account @JonHeyman
6h6 hours ago

Most others in on Realmuto were willing to surrender 1 big piece but not a 2nd big piece. Marlins sought 2 of May, Lux, Ruiz and Smith from LA (after it was clear Bellinger was going nowhere) and 2 of Riley, Pache and a big pitching prospect (ie Wright, Wilson, Anderson) from ATL

LAD was never in because they only would talk Ruiz and Atlanta was offer Riley and minor pieces

[Erick]

.406 BABIP. We're talking major adjustments. Even if he gets a little bit better as a player, his average can still drop to .200 fast and then he is a less powerful Zunino instantly. And that is a good backup at best.

I'm most interested in the .782 RHP split. Even if that's inflated by said BABIP, he's a good strong side of a platoon with a 100 OPS RHP drop with his defense. Find a guy who hits lefties and you're looking like a pretty solid 2-3 WAR catcher situation for sure.

A .406 .BABIP is absurd, but, as has been pointed out, it’s not all luck. His batted ball data indicates he hits the ball hard when he’s not striking out.