Marlins trade Justin Bour to Phillies

[fish16]

i cant believe finsanity is still defending this absurd argument

[lou]

Objectively, when you subjectively select your criteria. And no matter how many times you say it, Posey is a below average defensive catcher.

The criteria is the overall production of a player - which is the only thing that matters when it comes down to it.

Who had the better seasons? I encourage you to add any additional statistic you want to support yourself. Is Cantu better than Posey in these seasons?

Jorge Cantu 2008: 29 HR/95 RBI
Jorge Cantu 2009: 16 HR/100 RBI

Buster Posey 2016: 14 HR/80 RBI
Buster Posey 2017: 12 HR/67 RBI

[emkayseven]

Objectively, when you subjectively select your criteria. And no matter how many times you say it, Posey is a below average defensive catcher.

Speaking of subjective criteria.

On what criteria do you base the statement "Posey is a below average defensive catcher"?

CS%, he is at 29%. League average is 29%. This is the first season in his career he isn't higher than league average.
Fielding percentage .997 (4th in the league among qualified catchers), league average is .993.
Defensive WAR he's at 1.3 per ESPN (1.3 runs better than average, 3rd in the league)

Baseball info solutions has him at 8 defensive runs saved (by definition, 8 runs better than average), his 5th highest career total. FanGraphs has him at 7 DRS. BaseballProjection has him at 8 total zone catcher runs (by definition, 8 runs better than average), his 3rd highest career total.

He's fielded 29 balls (4th highest of his career) and 93% of them (all but 2) have resulted in outs.

He's made just 2 errors, both of them throwing errors.

I'm just curious what stats you're seeing that make you say he's a below average defensive catcher?

[Lee Stone]

Posey is about to be no catcher at all. Hip surgery required, bone spurs too. Hope the Giants have insurance.

[emkayseven]

If not maybe they could pawn one of their three rings to defray the cost

[Finsanity]

If not maybe they could pawn one of their three rings to defray the cost

Is that what the Marlins do? Do fans of this year's team feel better about sucking because the Marlins were good once? I don't, and judging by the attendance, I'm not alone. Now, Giants fans are a different breed, so maybe polishing Posey's rings will be worth his $21.4 million/season over the next 3 seasons to them. Playing on a team that used to have a good pitching staff didn't help him much this year, or in the foreseeable future...

[Todd]

Objectively, when you subjectively select your criteria. And no matter how many times you say it, Posey is a below average defensive catcher.

He is really not. He has been well above average this year.

[emkayseven]

Is that what the Marlins do? Do fans of this year's team feel better about sucking because the Marlins were good once? I don't, and judging by the attendance, I'm not alone. Now, Giants fans are a different breed, so maybe polishing Posey's rings will be worth his $21.4 million/season over the next 3 seasons to them. Playing on a team that used to have a good pitching staff didn't help him much this year, or in the foreseeable future...

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Uh...yeah. I was a fan of a team that won two world championships. Many fans never get to see one. I'd rather have 98 100-loss seasons and 2 world championships than the 100+ year run the Cubs had.

Still waiting for an answer to my question: I'm just curious what stats you're seeing that make you say he's a below average defensive catcher?

[Finsanity]

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Uh...yeah. I was a fan of a team that won two world championships. Many fans never get to see one. I'd rather have 98 100-loss seasons and 2 world championships than the 100+ year run the Cubs had.

Still waiting for an answer to my question: I'm just curious what stats you're seeing that make you say he's a below average defensive catcher?

There's this:

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.co...hp?cid=1899536

Which ranks him as a minus at both blocking balls and throwing out runners.

As far as throwing out runners, he's 8/12 amongst "qualified" cathers, 42 overall.

[Lee Stone]

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Uh...yeah. I was a fan of a team that won two world championships. Many fans never get to see one. I'd rather have 98 100-loss seasons and 2 world championships than the 100+ year run the Cubs had.

Still waiting for an answer to my question: I'm just curious what stats you're seeing that make you say he's a below average defensive catcher?

Wasn't this already shared? Posey currently ranks 20th among qualifying catchers. That would fall into the below average category. https://legacy.baseballprospectus.co...hp?cid=1899536

[lou]

Wasn't this already shared? Posey currently ranks 20th among qualifying catchers. That would fall into the below average category. https://legacy.baseballprospectus.co...hp?cid=1899536

First, that isn't even remotely qualifying catchers. There are also more than 39 catchers in baseball with reasonable amounts of playing time.

Second. At least 10 of those guys in front of Posey on that list are backup players Posey has seen around 2,000 more pitches from (no innings there so we have to use pitches). So that's not really fair given the more exposure.

I'm going to do this in haiku form as we need to resort to new strategies of trying to get this through to you guys:

You are so wrong. Stop.
Everything he does is good.
Three World Series Rings.

Your Own Statistics
Disagree with you. Please Stop.
Buster. Great. Catcher.

[emkayseven]

You guys, Mike Trout has a -1.96 clutch rating AND -4.35 for his career. And his rARM rating from Fielding Bible is -1. Therefore he is below average

[Finsanity]

You guys, Mike Trout has a -1.96 clutch rating AND -4.35 for his career. And his rARM rating from Fielding Bible is -1. Therefore he is below average

Says the guy who lays his WAR next his bible at night. Pick a side.

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Everything he does is good.

Is that what it says when you read your WAR tattoo upside down?

P.S. Jose Molina just called asking for your number - he wants you to negotiate his next contract. He has 2 world series rings, that ought to cover his resume. Clay Bellinger sends his regards well.

[lou]

Says the guy who lays his WAR next his bible at night. Pick a side.

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Is that what it says when you read your WAR tattoo on your arm upside down?

P.S. Jose Molina just called asking for your number - he wants you to negotiate his next contract. He has 2 world series rings, that ought to cover his resume. Clay Bellinger sends his regards well.

I love how you feel emboldened to make jokes when you're wrong on every level. You are really missing the point, but I think that's the baseline at this stage. Get back to us when Jose Molina is the best player on a team that won 3 world series in 5 years and has 40 WAR in their career.

[Lee Stone]

The good news for cash-strapped Marlins: Realmuto's arbitration salary for 2019 has dropped like a rock since the All Star game. .218 avg and ,298 OBP.