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Originally posted by HUGG View PostJeff Locke signed, so there's your rotation
Conley, Chen, Volquez, Koehler, Locke
Jason Hammel last 3 years combined WAR: 5.6
Jeff Locke: 2.1
Locke with a shiny 4.91 xFIP last year.
My initial knee jerk reaction is I hate thisLast edited by Namaste; 12-07-2016, 11:55 AM.
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Originally posted by ¿NICK? View PostIf he's in a long-relief role/spot-starter, that's fine. He's probably an upgrade to Nicolino/Urena. If he's in the rotation out of Spring Training it's a problem.
Likely #5 guy. They like him cause of what Benedict did with him(they think he can get him back) and only 1 year. Hammel is likely out of price range. Locke cost 3 million and lets us have cash to spend in other places. Super Pen!!!
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A 1-year $3 million contract doesn't strike me as a contract you'd give a guy who is guaranteed to be in the rotation. It's more like what you would pay a long-reliever.
Yes, I'm aware we're talking about the Marlins here, but trying to be somewhat optimistic in this case.
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Originally posted by ¿NICK? View PostIf he's in a long-relief role/spot-starter, that's fine. He's probably an upgrade to Nicolino/Urena. If he's in the rotation out of Spring Training it's a problem.
I could be wrong but I think in Loria's mind, he just rounded out his starting rotation for 2017.
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Mattingly just said today that they feel Phelps makes the most impact in the bullpen. He's not going to be in the rotation.
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Originally posted by Namaste View PostA very Marlins signing. "Going For It!" but not really.
Jason Hammel last 3 years combined WAR: 5.6
Jeff Locke: 2.1
Locke with a shiny 4.91 xFIP last year.
My initial knee jerk reaction is I hate this
stopped throwing his breaking ball last season (~16% usually to ~6% last year), imagine that'll be the first thing they work on
I actually like this signing a lot
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I mean, we're clearly going the '15 Royals approach. Hope for a starter ERA of around 4.25 and get 5.2 out of them, on average, and then shut it down with the bullpen.
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Originally posted by ¿NICK? View PostA 1-year $3 million contract doesn't strike me as a contract you'd give a guy who is guaranteed to be in the rotation. It's more like what you would pay a long-reliever.
Yes, I'm aware we're talking about the Marlins here, but trying to be somewhat optimistic in this case.
With the 10 Day DL-u can skip guys in the rotation and use matchups even more now. Urena,Nicolino,Cervenka,Ellington,Wittgren can all be sent down and can put Locke,McGowan,Uehara/Tazawa for minor injuries if neededLast edited by tjfla; 12-07-2016, 12:25 PM.
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Originally posted by HUGG View PostMattingly just said today that they feel Phelps makes the most impact in the bullpen. He's not going to be in the rotation.
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xFIP: 3.90 in 2014, 3.94 in 2015
stopped throwing his breaking ball last season (~16% usually to ~6% last year), imagine that'll be the first thing they work on
I actually like this signing a lot
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Originally posted by HUGG View PostI like that Mattingly genuinely seems to know whats going on. At least the front office and manager are on the same page (even if you don't like the book), for a change.
Amazing when someone who has no clue about talent listens to someone who does
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I hope Locke is the de facto 6th SP. They don't need a third lefty in the rotation. I think Chapman, Ramos, Phelps, Barraclough, Wittgren, Locke, and McGowan is one hell of a bullpen. Ellington, Cervenka, Urena, and Nicolino is a pretty good call up squad.
Although I suspect Ramos or Phelps will be traded to cut costs and Ellington shifted in. I'm OK with that too.
I think I'd trade Ozuna+Ramos/Phelps for a good young SP and sign an outfielder and a lefty bashing 1B to help out DD/Ichiro/Bour in the last position player slots, and that's looking like a pretty good team on paper considering the circumstances.
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