Cameron Maybin Thread: Maybin Some Discussion, Maybin Some Fighting, It's All Good!

[Swifty]

I got slayed for the Preston Wilson comparison, MK 7...be careful buddy.

[Beef]

If you call a bobbob attack a slaying, your dick is way not bigger than what it was though to be

[Ramp]

honestly right now, fielding not included, i'd rather have bonifacio in my lineup than maybin.

calm down there, scooter

[Swifty]

If you call a bobbob attack a slaying, your dick is way not bigger than what it was though to be

tee hee

[Namaste]

A lot of well thought out posts in this thread.

I'd like to say two things.


Cameron looks lost because he is young and more importantly, he is trying too hard.

Watch his face when he swings and misses. He beats himself up mentally everytime he goes after the breaking ball in the dirt. He is the anti-Hermida in that sense.



And the second thing Id like to say is that this thread never happens if I didn't needle Swift about his short, snide Maybin remark in the game thread. : )


/needs to be center of attention at times

[Bobbob1313]

I got slayed for the Preston Wilson comparison, MK 7...be careful buddy.

You got slated because the two aren't really comparable. Being a black centerfielder who strikes out isn't enough to base a comp on. Sorry.

Preston Wilson never walked. Ever.

I know you have it in your head that cam doesn't have a good eye, but the point is he's walked everywhere, even in the majors. Come on. To quote you, it's not like this is fucking hard.

Everything about him screams mike Cameron. You could argue it's a poor mans mike Cameron, but he's not really at all like Preston Wilson.

[CrimsonCane]

And if Johnny the lifelong baseball fan was actually any good he wouldn't be sitting in front of his computer.

I don't really care for visual scouting from fans really, that's all it comes down to. Just because they aren't pro doesn't mean they aren't good, and just because somebody is pro doesn't mean they are good, but chances are, the pro knows what he's gonna be talking about, the non-pro doesn't.

This isn't specific to nny but his post sums up the mind set of a lot of the posters who have criticized Swift's analysis. I find it odd that people with absolutely no formal education in statistics (no degree, probably not even anything more than an introduction to statistics course) are throwing out numbers and stats to back up their side but, at the same time, saying someone who isn't a pro scout isn't likely to be able to see anything meaningful for analysis when they watch baseball.

By that logic, wouldn't we have to question everything you post and doubt whether it's possible for you to comprehend the very statistics you're throwing out and whether you know what circumstances they ought to be used?

[Beef]

This isn't specific to nny but his post sums up the mind set of a lot of the posters who have criticized Swift's analysis. I find it odd that people with absolutely no formal education in statistics (no degree, probably not even anything more than an introduction to statistics course) are throwing out numbers and stats to back up their side but, at the same time, saying someone who isn't a pro scout isn't likely to be able to see anything meaningful for analysis when they watch baseball.

By that logic, wouldn't we have to question everything you post and doubt whether it's possible for you to comprehend the very statistics you're throwing out and whether you know what circumstances they ought to be used?

Yeah.
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Granted, with statistics, a not so smart fellow can be like, all the work is already done for me so I can just throw out numbers and say, see? His BABIP went up so his OPS went up, now you know why he improved!

[nny]

This isn't specific to nny but his post sums up the mind set of a lot of the posters who have criticized Swift's analysis. I find it odd that people with absolutely no formal education in statistics (no degree, probably not even anything more than an introduction to statistics course) are throwing out numbers and stats to back up their side but, at the same time, saying someone who isn't a pro scout isn't likely to be able to see anything meaningful for analysis when they watch baseball.

By that logic, wouldn't we have to question everything you post and doubt whether it's possible for you to comprehend the very statistics you're throwing out and whether you know what circumstances they ought to be used?

There's two things.

1) I certainly hope you question everything I post. Why in God's name would you take something I say and not question it?

2) I don't create statistics. I quote statistics. That'd be the equivalent of somebody quoting a scout, not acting like a scout.
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Yeah.
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Granted, with statistics, a not so smart fellow can be like, all the work is already done for me so I can just throw out numbers and say, see? His BABIP went up so his OPS went up, now you know why he improved!

This is you constantly saying nothing.

[Swifty]

Except it's a lot easier to quote a scout without distorting his meaning since we're all somewhat proficient in the English language (granted, some more than others).

[nny]

Except it's not like statistics are hard to understand.

And if they either are too hard for you to understand, or you don't care enough to understand them, then you ignore them. What exactly am I missing here?

[Bucklin12]

I haven't posted here in awhile, due to serious time constraints, the minor league season ending, and honestly, a plain boredom with the content (No offense to Festa or anyone else who has done an excellent job providing a reasonable place for baseball discussion).

This thread, however, has invigorated my desire for being right.

Question:
Out of all the words that have been chastised in this thread, how did this paragraph make it through?

That you look at the numbers and say "well, he walked at AA and walked at AAA" completely ignores the point of a professional baseball organization, winning ballgames at the major league level, and beyond that, you simply attribute his numbers to his success only. For you, it's completely inconceivable that Maybin piled up walks against pitchers with AAA ceilings, or against a guy who was two weeks away from having to bag groceries and lose his wife and kid. There's a hell of a discrepancy between Maybin, the aura of a top prospect, and a 28 year old AA pitcher trying desperately to get a September cup of coffee, they over throw, they stumble, they want no part of him. It's not hard to pile up walks against that kind of pitching, and make no mistake, I'm sure he saw that, certainly not every game, but more than you're willing to consider when you reach your "he has minor league walks, so his eye will translate" conclusion.

[Swifty]

Nothing other than the entire premise behind CC's merited post.

[nny]

His premise is the same premise I'm using though?

[Beef]

Nny, I don't think you tend to know what you're talking about.

You can keep quoting me and saying things like I'm not saying anything, but the reality is that my posts make sense and get more to the point that you are saying nothing. You tend to argue things and I think you have no idea what you are arguing because a sensible response to one of your arguments will just get a response of, whats that got to do with what I'm saying?

You can throw out all sorts of numbers that people formulate for you, but it still doesn't show what a player has done to improve, change his numbers, etc.