Marlins Fight Back, Only to Lose 5-3 in Extras

[Namaste]

Greg Dobbs has a .240 BABIP

Derek Deitrich has a .538 BABIP

[HUGG]

NL Line Drive% (at least 100 PA)
1. Chase Headley SD 38%
2. Freddie Freeman ATL 35%
3. Joey Votto CIN 33%
4. Jay Bruce CIN 32%
5. John Mayberry PHI 31%
6. Adrian Gonzalez LA 30%
6. Jedd Gyorko SD 30%
6. Adam LaRoche WAS 30%
9. Jon Jay STL 29%
9. David Wright NYM 29%
9. Ryan Zimmerman WAS 29%
12. Rob Brantly MIA 28%
12. Donovan Solano MIA 28%

[Chewford]

I love how perfectly normal being swept has become.

[Ramp]

Greg Dobbs has a .240 BABIP

Derek Deitrich has a .538 BABIP

any reason behind posting this numbers?... seemingly came out of nowhere

[Beef]

Babip

[Big Z]

Have all of Hech's triples been to Right-Center field? He loves hitting the ball that way.

[Namaste]

any reason behind posting this numbers?... seemingly came out of nowhere

"Greg Dobbs sucks" and "Redmond PH Polanco for Deitrich in the 9th"

[Bobbob1313]

Greg Dobbs sucks. He has a low BABIP, but he also just sucks. He has a .047 iso.

[Namaste]

If he had a .350 BABIP would he suck less?

[Ramp]

I feel like you (Namaste) put way too much into BABIP. Yes, if someone's BABIP is low, they're most likely getting unlucky but when you watch someone day in and out, it's hard to suggest Dobbs or your favorite guy, John Buck is getting unlucky.

At some point, you just suck. If you pop out or hit weak grounder to 3B for 10 straight at bats and go 0 for 10, you weren't unlucky, you just sucked. I think BABIP can do plenty in forecasting a player in the future, but sometimes, you just suck.
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If he had a .350 BABIP would he suck less?

I mean, Greg Dobbs is terrible, regardless of his BABIP

[Bobbob1313]

If he had a .350 BABIP would he suck less?

No. He would be lucky instead of unlucky. He would still be the same player. His secondary skills are completely lacking.

If he had a .300 BABIP, his triple-slash line would look something like this: .260/.333/.308

He is a first baseman the majority of the time. He sucks.

As a bench bat to face righties a few times a week, he's fine. Playing almost everyday, he sucks.

[Namaste]

Ok but I don't think anyone would be saying he sucks if he had a 350+ BABIP like some players do. That's all.

As an everyday 3B, yes, he's bad.

Also, I've seen BABIP used countless times on these boards to argue that Player A sucks but he's just getting lucky or Player A doesn't suck, he's just been unlucky so give me a fucking break.

To use Ramp's phrase, "this place sucks sometimes".

[MiamiHomer]

BABIP doesn't exactly work well just looking at it alone. It also depends on their LD rate and GB rate. He could have a low BABIP because all he's doing is hitting grounders and not line drives that aren't find holes.

[Bobbob1313]

Ok but I don't think anyone would be saying he sucks if he had a 350+ BABIP like some players do. That's all.

Maybe. If he had a .260 batting average and .640 OPS and was playing first base everyday, people would probably say he sucks.

Also, I've seen BABIP used countless times on these boards to argue that Player A sucks but he's just getting lucky or Player A doesn't suck, he's just been unlucky so give me a fucking break.

Generally speaking, people will be looking at some underlying skill set that is being clouded by a low BABIP. Throwing out BABIP to say "this guy does or doesn't suck" is useless without some sort of context.

For Buck, it was his solid power and walk rate from the catcher position, along with relatively low K rates for his career.

For someone like Lomo, again, it's really solid power from the left side of the plate and decent enough plate discipline.

With Dobbs, he's walking and not striking out. That's good. But he's hitting for absolutely no power and he's not walking nearly enough to make up for that. He's basically Emilio Bonifacio in the bad years, without speed or defense. That player sucks, no matter what his BABIP is.

[Erick]

"Greg Dobbs sucks" and "Redmond PH Polanco for Deitrich in the 9th"

It's difficult to know if you're trolling.

If you're not, you really don't understand .BABIP.
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If he had a .350 BABIP would he suck less?

He had a .321 .BABIP last year, and .325 the year before.
In the two years combined, he had a -1.1 WAR. Yes, he still sucks.
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Ok but I don't think anyone would be saying he sucks if he had a 350+ BABIP like some players do. That's all.

As an everyday 3B, yes, he's bad.

Also, I've seen BABIP used countless times on these boards to argue that Player A sucks but he's just getting lucky or Player A doesn't suck, he's just been unlucky so give me a fucking break.

To use Ramp's phrase, "this place sucks sometimes".

Dobbs is probably better than a .240ish .BABIP guy, but he still sucks with a high .BABIP.

He's, at best, an empty batting average hitter. Just like the rest of the lineup with the exception of a couple of players. (well, three really. Ozuna, Dietrich, and Ruggiano)
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Maybe. If he had a .260 batting average and .640 OPS and was playing first base everyday, people would probably say he sucks.



Generally speaking, people will be looking at some underlying skill set that is being clouded by a low BABIP. Throwing out BABIP to say "this guy does or doesn't suck" is useless without some sort of context.

For Buck, it was his solid power and walk rate from the catcher position, along with relatively low K rates for his career.

For someone like Lomo, again, it's really solid power from the left side of the plate and decent enough plate discipline.

With Dobbs, he's walking and not striking out. That's good. But he's hitting for absolutely no power and he's not walking nearly enough to make up for that. He's basically Emilio Bonifacio in the bad years, without speed or defense. That player sucks, no matter what his BABIP is.

Dobbs is not walking.