Marlins Sign Placido Polanco

[Beef]

Eventually, that system would be unable to sustain itself, based on the revenues of the companies involved, right?

Clearly, that is not the case for MLB, which continues to see revenues increase.

I suppose we'll see. I imagine even if/when revenues don't grow at the same rate, players will expect, and at least for a little while, continue to get raises.

[Bobbob1313]

Probably, but it would correct itself before long. We saw it for at least a few years, as I think the growth in player salaries dropped a few years back.

[Beef]

Really stings coming from a guy like you. After all, posting on the internet is very serious business.

We're hoping to bounce back in 2013.

We're worried that Erick will still be surprised in 2013 that a lot of people hate the front office, though.




Beef, what did you order from La Stella??!!!

I got the tagliatelle. It is the heaviest dish in the history of heavy dishes. I'm going to feel gross for days.
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Probably, but it would correct itself before long. We saw it for at least a few years, as I think the growth in player salaries dropped a few years back.

Or we'll get a lockout :-)

[Erick]

Are you sure they tried for them ? Just because they said they tried or had one of their media mouthpieces say it, means its the truth ?

If it was the other way around, it would be true though, right?
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Really stings coming from a guy like you. After all, posting on the internet is very serious business.

We're hoping to bounce back in 2013.

We're worried that Erick will still be surprised in 2013 that a lot of people hate the front office, though.




Beef, what did you order from La Stella??!!!

It was a rhetorical question...

[CrimsonCane]

Late to the game, but i wanted to say something about the Cespedes comments.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to be upset at the team for not signing him despite thinking Oakland's offer was too big at the time. Our front office gets paid a lot of money to be smarter than us. Our evaluation of their performance should not be based on "Would i have done that?" A doctor who fucks up a surgery can't justifiably tell a patient, "hey asshole, you would've done the same thing if you were doing this."

[nny]

I think people need to stop only talking about 3b for polanco because he is also a 2b. So far, between those two positions, we had Kouz, Solano, and Cog. I don't view it as a "here's our starting 3b", I view it as "We have two MAJOR holes and this should give us some stability while someone wins the other spot"

[Bobbob1313]

Late to the game, but i wanted to say something about the Cespedes comments.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to be upset at the team for not signing him despite thinking Oakland's offer was too big at the time. Our front office gets paid a lot of money to be smarter than us. Our evaluation of their performance should not be based on "Would i have done that?" A doctor who fucks up a surgery can't justifiably tell a patient, "hey asshole, you would've done the same thing if you were doing this."

Sure.

But isn't there a fine line between what you're suggesting and simply playing the result no matter which way it goes?

[Beef]

A doctor who fucks up a surgery can't justifiably tell a patient, "hey asshole, you would've done the same thing if you were doing this."

No, but if he is performing surgery and one of us is standing next to him as he does it and we say, "you know what I would do? I'd cut that right there" and then he does that and it goes wrong I also wouldn't blame him for saying, "you probably shouldn't be telling me how fucking stupid I am since you would have done the exact same thing."

I feel like if we're going to state our opinions on here in such a matter-of-fact way, then we, or whoever, kind of assumes the risk of at least not being able to say how dumb someone else is for doing the same thing. It might not make the doctor or the front office or whoever right, but it also still makes the message board guy wrong.

[Erick]

Also, we probably shouldn't call every positive rumor a lie and then go on and post as though every negative rumor is true. oakelmpine...

[Valid]

Are you sure they tried for them ? Just because they said they tried or had one of their media mouthpieces say it, means its the truth ?

Look these people are professional liars, thieves and generally unlikable people. I don't trust them, or anything they say unless I see proof, and even then I will be skeptical because of their behavior. Its been a pattern of deception & (seemingly) calculated lying, and we've been fooled by them more than once.

Seriously, they can never, ever do anything that will make me trust them. I have to live with them, because they own and run the team I gave my loyalty to, many years before they came into the picture. I cannot just run away and not care about the Marlins, I'm not built that way. I am not a fair-weather fan, but I can and will withhold my $ and not spend if I don't have to because hopefully it will eventually lead to their demise as owners. I am hoping that many others will do the same, and it will come to a point where either MLB becomes too embarrassed by the way they run things and forces Loria out, or if Loria tires of his "playtoy" and then sells the team.

You can bash me all you want, but in the end I know that more people feel the way I do, and even if a few on this board think we are off base in the way we feel, then so be it, and just get over it and move on, because I'm not stopping the hate for them.

So you're a diehard Marlins fan, but you're basically rooting for the team to lose so they're forced to sell? Is that correct?
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Late to the game, but i wanted to say something about the Cespedes comments.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to be upset at the team for not signing him despite thinking Oakland's offer was too big at the time. Our front office gets paid a lot of money to be smarter than us. Our evaluation of their performance should not be based on "Would i have done that?" A doctor who fucks up a surgery can't justifiably tell a patient, "hey asshole, you would've done the same thing if you were doing this."

But this is what I have a problem with.

Because Cespedes had a good rookie year, people are upset that our FO was outbid for him. If he had a bad year, however, people here would be saying, "well, at least they didn't give that money to Cespedes." Just because the FO is supposed to be smarter than us doesn't mean we should use hindsight on every decision they make.

The FO liked his performance well enough to offer him six years, $36 million, so I don't think it's fair to knock them for poor talent evaluation. They just didn't like him enough to go $9 million a year over the course of four seasons. It's not like they didn't want to give him a four-year, $20 million deal.

[CrimsonCane]

Sure.

But isn't there a fine line between what you're suggesting and simply playing the result no matter which way it goes?

Of course there is. Here's the distinction. It's not just playing the result in the case of Cespedes that's problematic. It's the reasoning they used to get to that result.

CF was an obvious position of need for this team. They considered Cespedes good enough to warrant a 6 year deal at $6 million a year. By this franchise's standards, that is essentially saying that they thought he was an everyday player. At that salary, there is no chance he isn't starting for 6 years or as long as he was on this team.

Apparently, we didn't think he was worth an extra $3 million per year (but not having to pay him for 2 additional years).

Why did they make that evaluation? And, why didn't they have a backup plan if they lost out of the bidding? If Cespedes is Plan A-Y and starting Bonifacio in CF on Opening Day is Plan Z, you do what it takes to make it happen.

Also, a lot of us were making that evaluation with the idea that the front office was not going to open up the check book like they did this past offseason. If they are dropping $9 million/year on a closer and were making $200 million contracts to Pujols, why on earth couldn't they scrounge up an extra $3 million for a guy they were comfortable as their everyday CF for the next 6 years??

[CrimsonCane]

I feel like if we're going to state our opinions on here in such a matter-of-fact way, then we, or whoever, kind of assumes the risk of at least not being able to say how dumb someone else is for doing the same thing. It might not make the doctor or the front office or whoever right, but it also still makes the message board guy wrong.

I disagree. Unless the person is saying, "I could've done a better job," I don't find it hypocritical to essentially say, "Wow. I was wrong, but that other person is supposed to be smarter and they ought to have made a better decision than me."

[Bobbob1313]

There is more pressure to play that fellow right away if you only have him for four years and the yearly payments are higher.

If he turned out to not be ready right away and you had five years remaining on the contract, you would have the luxury to either play him every other day or send him down to the minors for some further seasoning. When you have him for four years, the timeline is greatly accelerated, and the costs each year are far greater. You need a more immediate return on your investment with that timeline.

[CrimsonCane]

There is more pressure to play that fellow right away if you only have him for four years and the yearly payments are higher.

If he turned out to not be ready right away and you had five years remaining on the contract, you would have the luxury to either play him every other day or send him down to the minors for some further seasoning. When you have him for four years, the timeline is greatly accelerated, and the costs each year are far greater. You need a more immediate return on your investment with that timeline.

Do you think there is any possibility that this organization would pay $6 million a year to send a well-known Cuban exile to the minors for some time when you are about to open a new ballpark in Little Havana and your next best option is Emilio Bonifacio??

[Bobbob1313]

Probably not.

I don't think he would have been making $6 flat per year, but I get your point.

Do you disagree with the rest of my reasoning?