2024-2025 Offseason Thread

[nny]

And I think the start of this is if the antitrust exemption was a person, they should be shitting bricks right now, and next time a CBA rolls around there will be fireworks. Things like this are going to start popping up, and frankly half the owners are going to lock themselves out against Steve and the Dodgers with what is happening.

Manfred has been talking about wanting to consolidate all of the MLB media markets into a national model (and finally get rid of shit like blackouts so that MLB.TV is actually worth it); my assumption is that they (MLB) are going to target that in the CBA and hope it does a lot of the heavy lifting for the rest of the financial stuff. After all, the Dodgers mostly are off the back of their insane TV deal. Which, would be hard to get the Dodgers to walk away from that...but like you said, owners seriously might start locking themselves out against them, and it might be the easiest way for the Dodgers to concede that over something else.

And I think that probably would go a long way, it's basically the NFL model right? Have the market be nationalized, but still have the home team profit off the games themselves (I think it's 60/40 in the NFL?). Doing the same here, where all the TV deals and such are instead nationalized, the Dodgers and Yankees and such would still have a financial advantage over us because of more butts in the seats - but nothing like it is now.

So yeah, ever since he started talking about that I've assumed that's how they're also trying to fix the financial stuff. And would be a huge W for fans just to be able to actually watch games without blackouts.

Cohen I think is just going to get a stern talking to or have specific rules made for off the cuff. He's pure kid in a candy store and doesn't know how to hear the word "no" (like how he couldn't hear "no, don't do insider trading, that's illegal"), there's nothing you can do rule wise to stop him. There's a reason some tried to stop him from being an owner at all

[lou]

Manfred has been talking about wanting to consolidate all of the MLB media markets into a national model (and finally get rid of shit like blackouts so that MLB.TV is actually worth it); my assumption is that they (MLB) are going to target that in the CBA and hope it does a lot of the heavy lifting for the rest of the financial stuff. After all, the Dodgers mostly are off the back of their insane TV deal. Which, would be hard to get the Dodgers to walk away from that...but like you said, owners seriously might start locking themselves out against them, and it might be the easiest way for the Dodgers to concede that over something else.

And I think that probably would go a long way, it's basically the NFL model right? Have the market be nationalized, but still have the home team profit off the games themselves (I think it's 60/40 in the NFL?). Doing the same here, where all the TV deals and such are instead nationalized, the Dodgers and Yankees and such would still have a financial advantage over us because of more butts in the seats - but nothing like it is now.

So yeah, ever since he started talking about that I've assumed that's how they're also trying to fix the financial stuff. And would be a huge W for fans just to be able to actually watch games without blackouts.

Cohen I think is just going to get a stern talking to or have specific rules made for off the cuff. He's pure kid in a candy store and doesn't know how to hear the word "no" (like how he couldn't hear "no, don't do insider trading, that's illegal"), there's nothing you can do rule wise to stop him. There's a reason some tried to stop him from being an owner at all

They have governmental problems too - there was a lot of blowback in Washington for the moved all-star game in Atlanta and the new incoming government can with a flick of a wrist likely get rid of it. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...-from-georgia/

Which TBH, might be the right decision as why is baseball special (in the business/legal sense versus other sports leagues), but I'll let the experts comment on that. I just expect, whether it is smaller ownership groups attacking larger ownership groups or players salary demands, or government officials wanting to punish MLB and/or punish larger market teams in New York and California which are out spending everyone, something is going to give here as this isn't sustainable for half the league.


But at least robot umpires are coming?

[sports24/7]

Bruce Levine, someone who covers the Cubs, is saying the Cubs are discussing a deal with Miami for Luzardo with James Triantos or Owen Cassie being part of the deal. That's interesting. Apparently Bob Nightingale reported the Cubs being interested yesterday.

[lou]

Bruce Levine, someone who covers the Cubs, is saying the Cubs are discussing a deal with Miami for Luzardo with James Triantos or Owen Cassie being part of the deal. That's interesting. Apparently Bob Nightingale reported the Cubs being interested yesterday.

Sign me up for Caisse. That is your future longterm RF, and then Sanchez becomes expendable *or* you dedicate him as your CF versus RHP and hope for the best defensively. He has above average range and arm strength so he might be able to do it. Or more than likely, you just trade him at some point as he's in arbitration, he's a platoon player, and they are cheap. They'd probably get a fine return for him and a similar valued 3B would be ideal if someone around the league has one of those to spare.

Triantos is going to be a LF with what the Marlins have at 2B (his other potential position). He makes less sense unless they are really convinced Norby makes it at 3B. I'm not sure why'd they want him, absent they have other ideas with the glut of 2B.

Guess we'll see.

[fish16]

Caissie would be a great get for luzardo. If they can snag alcantara as well that would be a home run

[Namaste]

Wouldn’t Chicago’s 5th best prospect be a little light for the centerpiece in the Luzardo trade?

[fish16]

Wouldn’t Chicago’s 5th best prospect be a little light for the centerpiece in the Luzardo trade?

I wouldn’t love it just because of the style of player he is, but they have a really good farm system. MLB.com has triantos as the 55th best prospect and Cassie as 34

[sports24/7]

Yesterday there was a report that the Cubs were working on a big deal for a starting pitcher. I believe that came from this Bruce Levine guy. So this sounds like a real possibility. Hopefully it's Caisse.

[rmc523]

Wouldn’t Chicago’s 5th best prospect be a little light for the centerpiece in the Luzardo trade?

Selling low after injuries…

[lou]

Wouldn’t Chicago’s 5th best prospect be a little light for the centerpiece in the Luzardo trade?

No because their top guys are all great. Caisse would probably be # 2 in Marlins system after White and just ahead of Noble and Ramirez more than likely. Or, viewed along those lines as a "core" prospect before you get to the next tier. Triantos for me, because he is likely destined for LF only (Caisse probably can play RF too), would be behind all of them, although still would be a fine get (especially if Norby can actually handle 3B).

I like the idea of this if it happens as Sanchez is still ultimately a platoon bat with 3 years of control. So after SS, 3B, and CF.... RF would be next on the need list. If Sandy is inevitably traded, he can get two of the others there and then payroll is under $50m to get the third. It would work in a tear down scenario of more SP trades, or, the best case scenario happens and Serna and Acosta can handle SS and Norby and Acosta can handle 3B and then everything starts making sense positionally on a bat level where they'd just need a CF, and then can focus on luxury upgrades.

[lou]

Selling low after injuries…

Not at all

[fish16]

Levine from Chicago again just tweeted that Cubs and Marlins are "working hard" on Luzardo. A little weird that he's the only one reporting this but he is a credible guy in chicago. Caissie would be a great pickup but that seems like a huge price they would be paying for an injury prone guy with just 2 years of control. I would honestly do that deal 1-1. 6 years of Caissie for 2 years of injury prone luzardo. Seems like a win win with the cubs going all in with tucker being a free agent after this year.

[fish16]

caissie would be a great get. When you go down to triantos, yes he is a top 60 prospect, but he's not the type of guy we need. We need a middle of the order thumper long term. We have nothing in the way of power currently. Caissie would be a huge piece to add.

[sports24/7]

Levine from Chicago again just tweeted that Cubs and Marlins are "working hard" on Luzardo. A little weird that he's the only one reporting this but he is a credible guy in chicago. Caissie would be a great pickup but that seems like a huge price they would be paying for an injury prone guy with just 2 years of control. I would honestly do that deal 1-1. 6 years of Caissie for 2 years of injury prone luzardo. Seems like a win win with the cubs going all in with tucker being a free agent after this year.

Just came here to post this. Hopefully they’re pushing for Caisse or getting Alcantara added to the deal of Triantos is the headliner.

A guy on Twitter who has broken some Marlins news in the past suggested yesterday that they had some talks with the Guardians about Luzardo.

[fish16]

i'd honestly add another piece if necessary to get Caissie. 6 years of him will likely end up producing more war than 2 years of luzardo at a fraction of the cost. Maybe Caissie and another prospect for Sanchez and Luzardo.

Triantos and recent first rounder Cam smith would make a ton of sense since we need a long term 3b as well.

Alcantara also is another guy who i would get excited about. Super raw and toolsy but 6'6 and a good fielder with a ton of untapped power potential.

Edit- just realized Smith was traded for Tucker.