2024-2025 Offseason Thread

[Todd]

Guerrero has spent 7 years as an assistant hitting coach with the Phillies then Giants.

[fish16]

Guerrero has spent 7 years as an assistant hitting coach with the Phillies then Giants.

That's gotta be Kapler's influence.

[lou]

All reports are saying the Twins want to lower budget a lot. Amuse me.


They are in pretty good shape with this IMO. Practically, they could use another infielder to help out Martin who isn't a sure thing and may be more of an OF.

C Jeffers, Carmago
1B Miranda
2B Julien, A. Martin
SS B. Lee, Castro
3B R. Lewis
LF Larnach, Wallner(top prospect coming fast)
CF Buxton, Keaschall(top coming fast)
RF Jenkins

SP - Ryan, Pablo, Ober, Wood Richardson <-- All right handers
RP - Jax, Sands, Duran, Festa, probably Paddack

There are some rumblings today they may turn Jax into a starter, which says to me they are looking to move payroll (Pablo/Ryan/Ober), but I don't believe it yet.


So Correa and C. Vazquez are missing. i.e., a long term SS/3B and bridge catcher. Correa makes 4/$133 and C. Vazquez makes 1/$10. The surplus value math is probably negative due to Correa's injury history, but he is still awesome when he plays. Yes I know. It's just a math experiment on a slow day.


For this depth chart, Otto (to replace Martin as a defender as everyone else is a hitter first) and Luzardo are perfect. They can find their own relievers which is their last pieces IMO. This is a lot of money coming off the books. This surplus value is easily $40-55m range depending on how much you like Otto - as well as accounts for Luzardo not being a sure thing similar to Correa. Luzardo is also an extension candidate if they think he will be healthy ala what they did with Pablo. A lack of lefty starters is really glaring here.


So big picture, on a math level, this would work out and everyone is probably happy. Minn not trading Keaschell, Wallner, or Rodriguez (their other top OF prospect) is the key


Correa, Vazquez, three solid not elite prospects - call this K. Culpepper (SS/3B), G. Gonzalez (right handed OF), and Winkour (UTIL IF), and most importantly, let's say Minnesota sends over $33m (so Correa becomes 4/$100m player)

Luzardo, Otto, and saves the Twins $90m+. Maybe the Marlins chuck in a nominal non-40 man reliever candidate, like Pushard, on top of this.



It is a pie in the sky one of course, but we can dream on a message board in the offseason. It's restocking the farm enough three more solid prospects and solving SS for years here.


This would cost about $87m in 2025:

C - Vazquez, Pereda
1B - Burger, Bride
2B - Edwards
SS - Correa
3B - Norby, ______
LF - Stowers, Dane
CF - _____, Sanoja/Hill
RF - Sanchez

SP - Sandy, Garrett, Cabrera, Weathers, _____, Max
RP - Faucher, Cronin, Bender, Tinoco, Baumann
LP - Nardi, Veneziano

Obviously Pereda (Ramirez), Vazquez (Mack), Bride (DDLS), the blank line at 3B which would just be some IF shuffling (Serna), and blank line at SP (Eury or Snelling) are placeholders for the minors coming up in the summer. So there wouldn't be much investment going on at those spots. Especially when combined with some other guys who might help in the OF (Martorella, Marsee, Berry, etc.) keeping all those OF on the roster for now.

So it boils down to on top of this, it is fringe free agents only, bottom of the barrel scrap heap guys less than Tim Anderson in cost, and someone like Bader in CF as the "big" signing. It is effectively do able in the mid $90m range, especially if you work out some payment dates with Minnesota as I am just assuming Correa is $25m here but maybe he costs less in 2025 and more the later three years which the Marlins can EASILY handle payroll wise.

That team has a chance with the SP and potential big time prospects coming.




Maybe not the best idea, but hey Minnesota says they want to slash payroll. So follow this through to 2026, this would cost about $88m (does include Stanton/Garcia dead money, etc.)

C - Mack, Ramirez
1B - Burger, DDLS
2B - Edwards, Serna
SS - Correa
3B - _____
LF - Norby, Stowers/Dane/Martorella/Marsee
CF - _____, Sanoja/Mesa Jr./Marsee
RF - Sanchez

SP - Sandy, Eury, Garrett, Cabrera, Snelling
RP - Max, Faucher, Mazur, Cronin, Baumann/CC
LP - Nardi, Weathers, Veneziano


Or lower that to effectively $70m without Sandy. It has effectively become a payroll swap for Correa at this point, and now the Marlins would have a spot at 3B, CF, and SP needed and have just drafted LaViolette/Cannarella with the 2025 pick to the OF spot is coming FAST and the "Sandy trade" could focus on a 3B and another OF to upgrade the "Stowers" spot. Remaining funds are then used for a 1 year bridge SP in 2026 while they wait for...... White and Noble to show up in the summer. Maybe Fulton too if he is healthy.

That 2026 team looks pretty insane if Sandy brings in 2 big bats, they do get the "Wyatt Langford" type college OF coming fast, and the arms are healthy.



Just saying here. They have some paths of piecing the team together and when I see Minnesota wanting to cut payroll, the mind goes directly to Correa. This is a lot cheaper than what Adames would cost and frankly, Luzardo means nothing here nor does Correa's payroll as it prevents them doing nothing in a future world Ramirez, Mack, DDLS, Serna, Norby, Sanoja, other OF, Snelling, Mazur, Veneziano, White, Noble, and other relievers are club controlled and cheap for all the years Correa would be under contract.

[fish16]

there are lots of trades that make sense on paper. they unfortunately dont take into account that bruce will absolutely never take on a long term salary that far into the future like correa.

[Nick]

Yeah I’m to the point where until they actually bring someone in with a significant contract it’s wasting time even speculating on them doing so. It’s been 7 fucking years.

[rmc523]

Yeah I’m to the point where until they actually bring someone in with a significant contract it’s wasting time even speculating on them doing so. It’s been 7 fucking years.

Yup, it’s a waste of time thinking about what they’ll do because reality is the answer will likely be either 1) nothing, 2) trade everyone left for more prospects

[Namaste]

Yup, it’s a waste of time thinking about what they’ll do because reality is the answer will likely be either 1) nothing, 2) trade everyone left for more prospects

Except it’s a Marlins baseball forum and well thought out hypotheticals should be encouraged not piled on.

Just my opinion.

[rmc523]

Except it’s a Marlins baseball forum and well thought out hypotheticals should be encouraged not piled on.

Just my opinion.

He’s welcome to do it, I commend him for the time put into it. Just saying none of the hypotheticals ever happen

[fish16]

Except it’s a Marlins baseball forum and well thought out hypotheticals should be encouraged not piled on.

Just my opinion.

It’s not a hypothetical if it has absolutely no chance of happening, which I and many others have been telling Lou for about 5 years

[Nick]

Except it’s a Marlins baseball forum and well thought out hypotheticals should be encouraged not piled on.

Just my opinion.

I have no problem with Lou continuing his out there hypotheticals. I’m just saying it’s getting very hard for me to even come up with hypotheticals or care about Lou’s with the way this organization operates.

[Namaste]

There were a lot of eye rolly, cringey moments during the press conference to introduce the new manager

[fish16]

There were a lot of eye rolly, cringey moments during the press conference to introduce the new manager

bruce sherman is a parody of a major league owner at this point. I dont give a shit what he has to say about "when he will spend the money", put up or shut up. Bragging about taking on Josh Bell's contract last year as a way of showing he will spend money when the time comes is just sad.

[rmc523]

bruce sherman is a parody of a major league owner at this point. I dont give a shit what he has to say about "when he will spend the money", put up or shut up. Bragging about taking on Josh Bell's contract last year as a way of showing he will spend money when the time comes is just sad.

I didn’t watch it….. He’s still peddling that line of spending when it’s time? Sure buddy…..

[fish16]

I didn’t watch it….. He’s still peddling that line of spending when it’s time? Sure buddy…..

from the brief clip i saw he said they would spend money when the time comes and then used the 2023 trade deadline as an example. at that deadline, we did take on bell's contract but im pretty sure they dumped segura's deal to offset it for the following year. So he probably did spend a little more than they had on the books prior to the deadline, but not enough to look dumb enough to use that an example of spending money when the time came.

[rmc523]

from the brief clip i saw he said they would spend money when the time comes and then used the 2023 trade deadline as an example. at that deadline, we did take on bell's contract but im pretty sure they dumped segura's deal to offset it for the following year. So he probably did spend a little more than they had on the books prior to the deadline, but not enough to look dumb enough to use that an example of spending money when the time came.

Yeah that’s pathetic to use that as an example. Bruce and the rest of the world have a different definition of spending money if that’s what he’s using to prove his point.