2024-2025 Offseason Thread

[lou]

First offer for Adames reportedly around $23 million aav from Mets.

And they don't even fucking need him. That's about right though for 5-6 years.

You're going to be right here Todd. Sandy and 2 other prominent arms (call it Luzardo and Garrett) will be traded by August 1st for 4-5 big time prospects, mostly bats, and we're just going to reluctantly agree it was the right move because Bruce won't spend money, and it will frankly make sense on paper

[Todd]

Fwiw Alcantra turns 30 this year, has 1 season(this) and an option year, and has always kind of pitched above what his peripherals say he should be at. The issue with him now is that the injury killed his value.

And Luzardo is a flat Earther so who cares.

[Namaste]

I was not aware until today that TJ surgery kills a pitchers value.

[Nick]

Fwiw Alcantra turns 30 this year, has 1 season(this) and an option year, and has always kind of pitched above what his peripherals say he should be at. The issue with him now is that the injury killed his value.

This is wrong. 2 years left at $17 million each year, then a club option year at $21 million that any team would be stupid to not exercise unless he has further injuries.

[rmc523]

bendix said today "We will be very much involved in the free agent market." What does that mean? Probably nothing.

Same as Kim’s “monitoring the market” - aka we’ll be checking out what’s going on and put out token offers, but we won’t realistically be signing anyone…
…except maybe a couple of the usual scrap heap guys that don’t turn into anything.

[lou]

This is wrong. 2 years left at $17 million each year, then a club option year at $21 million that any team would be stupid to not exercise unless he has further injuries.

Yes. For some perspective, Michael Wacha (33) just signed a 3 year $51m extension. Michael Wacha. Say it out loud. Michael. Wacha.

The Marlins pitching is insanely valuable with health. That is just the key here. These guys throwing 15 good starts to open 2025 and the team not being a contender will cause a frenzy with 2.5 years of Sandy, 1.5 of Luzardo, and 3.5 of Cabrera and Garrett. It is some of the most valuable pitching in the league with their contract prices and upside. Just have to be healthy. Yea they botched not moving Luzardo pre-injury, but he still would get something big with another year of control (plus QO compensation) if he is "back." They could move all those guys (which they wouldn't) and throw Eury, Weathers, Max, Snelling, and Mazur pretty quickly. And then White and Noble are in AA. Not that they would do that, but Sandy and Luzardo seem completely obvious to move at the deadline when they suck because of the $$$$ and low control for Luzardo. I know you know this, I am just saying this out loud as a response to Todd where I think he is too far down on the value here. Sandy is just enormously valuable if he is healthy. He is just a good pitcher even if 2022 is unlikely to happen again. He is Michael Wacha payroll for a much better player.

For some perspective here per Marlins, this would be under $50m bucks and INCLUDES dead money to Stanton and Garcia in 2026

C Mack, Ramirez
1B Burger, DDLS
2B Edwards, Otto
SS ______, Serna
3B ______
LF Norby/Stowers/Martorella/Berry/Dane
CF ______, Sanoja/Mesa Jr/Dane/Marsee
RF Sanchez

SP Eury, Garrett, Cabrera, Snelling, Weathers
RHP Max, Mazur, Faucher, Bender, ______
LHP Nardi, _____, Veneziano


-We're talking 3 major prospect players for Sandy/Luzardo, likely 2026 ready
-Top 3 pick in 2025 incoming and might be a fast college guy
-Bruce usually spends $80-90m and this team is cheap and going to get cheaper (White, Noble, Head, Morlando, etc.), so there is $30-40m here for a luxury upgrade. This is likely 2-3 players as they won't commit to "1" Adames type.


This wouldn't be my preferred path, I am just resigned to seeing something close to this being what happens. And I do get it if ownership is going to be this trash in Bendix's defense.

I am 100% with Todd the trades will happen by the deadline and the above is the general plan. If Lee ever shows back up he'll say this should have happened 2-3 years ago as the tea leaves were all there, but I wouldn't go that far. But now is just the time as they still need major position upgrades all over absent something unbelievable happening like Berry, Mesa Jr., and Aldermann all becoming top 75 prospects and fast tracked to summer 2025. Which of course has no chance of happening.

I genuinely question how to keep enthusiasm with what Steve is going to do with the Mets also. He just made hundreds of millions in this election on tax rates for the next few years and he's just the kind of guy to his sports fanatic credit to invest that new found money all into the team and the Mets become an even scarier version of the Dodgers quickly. We shall see, but it is like how do you really compete with that ultimately so what is the point? The Marlins would just have to be perfect and build something better than the Orioles. I feel beat down with the Dodgers just pummeling through the playoffs, the collapse of the media deals all over the league that will disproportionately hurt some of the smaller market/owner franchises, and now the richest owners are going to be richer and just going to spend spend spend with reckless abandon. Bruce can't compete with these guys. It's not a political statement to be clear, it's just a stoic emotionless financial one as my expectation is the top ownership groups will spend more now because they can and that does hurt the Marlins interests.

[Namaste]

Bruce is approaching his late 70’s so Marlins fans have that.

[fish16]

advocating for trading sandy right now is just dumb. he is absurdly cheap for how good he is and he is under contract for 3 more years. then theres the whole part where you have to hit on the trade for it to make sense.

[lou]

advocating for trading sandy right now is just dumb. he is absurdly cheap for how good he is and he is under contract for 3 more years. then theres the whole part where you have to hit on the trade for it to make sense.

Just to be clear, I am saying the expectation for me is before the trade deadline not now absent they get a motherload which they'd have to consider for at least Luzardo. Practically it is July once the season is over and the guys look good.

The Mets are going to do something insane like Soto, Adames, Snell, luxury relievers, and a plus bench guy with combined contracts more than what Bruce is worth ya know? That is just what is going to happen IMO and it may have finally finally hit me this offseason, why do I really care? The deck is just stacked too much on a business level without a salary cap. This is a completely different beast than the NFL, NBA, and NHL.

[fish16]

Just to be clear, I am saying the expectation for me is before the trade deadline not now absent they get a motherload which they'd have to consider for at least Luzardo. Practically it is July once the season is over and the guys look good.

The Mets are going to do something insane like Soto, Adames, Snell, luxury relievers, and a plus bench guy with combined contracts more than what Bruce is worth ya know? That is just what is going to happen IMO and it may have finally finally hit me this offseason, why do I really care? The deck is just stacked too much on a business level without a salary cap. This is a completely different beast than the NFL, NBA, and NHL.

obviously the mets will do something but i think soto ends up back on the yankees and adames goes to the dodgers.

[Namaste]

Dodgers 1B coach, Clayton McCullough, is the new Marlins manager per sources.

[Nick]

Dodgers 1B coach, Clayton McCullough, is the new Marlins manager per sources.

Yay?

[sports24/7]

It usually doesn’t mean a whole lot, but a lot of Dodgers fans are bummed he’s leaving. I’m not sure there’s ever been a time I can think that I’d be mad the Marlins lost a 1B coach, though, so the fact that fans think he made a difference is encouraging. Also, supposedly Betts and Ohtani loved him, with Betts calling him the best coach he’s ever had.

[fish16]

It usually doesn’t mean a whole lot, but a lot of Dodgers fans are bummed he’s leaving. I’m not sure there’s ever been a time I can think that I’d be mad the Marlins lost a 1B coach, though, so the fact that fans think he made a difference is encouraging. Also, supposedly Betts and Ohtani loved him, with Betts calling him the best coach he’s ever had.

Players liking the manager is obviously important, but pales in comparison to me on how they construct the lineup and manage the bullpen. Without those two things, you’re a bench coach. Mattingly was a great example of a guy who was not a very good manager but the players liked him. He’s the perfect bench coach

we’ll see how he pans out. It’s hard for a manager to succeed in this situation. Hats off to skip for putting up with that shit. Didn’t love his in game decisions most times but he was put in a position to lose

[rmc523]

We also hired Pedro Guerrero as hitting coach.

seems quite fast for McCullough to have chosen him, or did Bendix say “hey here’s your hitting coach, thanks”