First Redmond, then JP, Now Maybe Pavano Too?

[Erick]

What really makes me angry about this is that the FO is only now doing the "throw the fans a bone" moves. If they had done that over time, I think there'd be more "trust" in the FO (even if it would be misguided).

Like, Sheff wanted to hit 500 here. Pudge wanted to play here basically every time he was a free agent.

Maybe it's because those players were actually washed up at the time while Pavano is cheap AND could actually help the team win.

The only reason why Pavano gets a minor deal is because he was injured last year. 2009-2011, he was actually a fine pitcher. A 4.36 ERA in the American League averaging ~33 starts/214 innings per year is not bad at all.

It's funny that certain people who loved Mark Buehrle are probably going to hate it if we sign Pavano because it's the fun to thing to do at this time.

Pending both stay healthy, they'd likely put up similar #'s next year; the major difference being that Buehrle is ridiculously overpaid.
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I'd rather go with Rugg in CF than go after McLouth anyway.

Definitely. McLouth sucks. I'd love to have Bourjos though.

[AdamRavs]

Buehrle will prolly put up 200 innnings again. Pavano is due to regress again

[Erick]

Buehrle will prolly put up 200 innnings again. Pavano hasn't put up 200 since he was here almost 10yrs ago. Actually he hasn't even been close to 200 innings since he was here.

Except 2009 when he put up 199.1, 2010 when he put up 221 and 2011 when he put up 222 innings.

[AdamRavs]

Except 2009 when he put up 199.1, 2010 when he put up 221 and 2011 when he put up 222 innings.

I forgot about the 2yrs in Min

[Jay]

I won't hate a Pavano signing because of the deal it would be but comparing him to Buehrle is ridiculous Pavano put up a WAR above 3 twice in his career, Buerhle did that 10 times. It isn't likely they would provide the same value to a team next year even if they both stay healthy.
Pavano 2009-2011 WAR .7, 3.5, 1.8
Buehrle 2009-2012 WAR 5.0, 3.6, 3.5, 3.2
I don't see how those numbers look similar at all.

[lou]

Pavano is probably better than Brad Hand and tradeable at the deadline to a team desperate for a few innings that won't cost much. Then you could replace him with Brad Hand in July (and Nolasco gets replaced by Fernandez). It's that easy. million bucks and another 3-4 in incentives is more than fine.

But they should get another outfielder who can hit RHP a little bit to help Ruggiano and Pierre. I don't think Nate is that guy, I would see what Sizemore and Abreu are up to. Maybe they have something in the tank and will accept a more platoon role to try and reestablish themselves, and turn into something tradeable in July. This is where the Marlins are. Guys who just want opportunities.

[HUGG]

If I had to guess what Grady was up to, I think the safe bet would be rehabbing.

Always the safest bet.


Anyway, as much as I hated the idea last season...I'd be fine with it now.

[Erick]

I won't hate a Pavano signing because of the deal it would be but comparing him to Buehrle is ridiculous Pavano put up a WAR above 3 twice in his career, Buerhle did that 10 times. It isn't likely they would provide the same value to a team next year even if they both stay healthy.
Pavano 2009-2011 WAR .7, 3.5, 1.8
Buehrle 2009-2012 WAR 5.0, 3.6, 3.5, 3.2
I don't see how those numbers look similar at all.

The main reason for that is Buehrle's durability hence the reason I said "pending they stay healthy."

Pending they're healthy, they're more similar than you seem to think. Both throw a lot of innings, both limit walks, both are bad with the strikeouts.

Their peripherals are very similar. Pavano underperforming his peripherals while with the Twins probably has something to do with the fact that the Twins have been pretty bad defensively over the past few years. It's the most obvious explanation for it at least.

In the context of next year, Buehrle's move to the AL East would lead me to believe that there's going to be some regression/if Pavano comes here and is healthy, there would probably be improvement.

So yes, I think they'd put up similar #'s next year pending they're both healthy.

[lou]

If I had to guess what Grady was up to, I think the safe bet would be rehabbing.

Always the safest bet.


Anyway, as much as I hated the idea last season...I'd be fine with it now.

Right. Grady's best deal this offseason is minor league/incentives and a team with low quality OF depth in majors. Sounds about right, especially since it's "warmer" here too in April as the cold could slow him down a bit.

It sucks this is what the marlins are looking at, but hopefully they are smart and amass this band aid veteran core and hope a few are tradeable in June/July to contenders.

[Miamarlin21]

I absolutely love Rugg's response.

[Namaste]

Erick's post #23 reminded me of his post when he said the big trade wouldn't have been bad if it didn't include Reyes.

Django: The D is silent.

[MiamiHomer]

Would have no problem with the trade if Reyes was kept.

[Namaste]

Me too, homes

[Chewford]

I would have been less angry if we kept Reyes(but still traded Buehrle). Trading both was like "ha ha we crushed your dreams of us being a legitimately run baseball franchise ever in the near future. Salano, bitches!".

[Bobbob1313]

I feel like people probably would have still had a problem with it if they hadn't traded Reyes.