2023-2024 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

Brujan is still really young even if Edwards is younger. If Brujan is a good defender at 2B/LF (which he might be), he becomes a real player even at a .650 OPS with his base running upside which is enormous. He had a .900 RHP split ops in AAA last year. I wouldn’t give up on him at all. Also, the Marlins were real bullish on Lindsey and he got positive draft mentions as a steal. They did give up someone they internally really like here which I think speaks to what they expect coming back.

Ultimately, I think those two are going to play a lot and it’ll come at the expense of mostly DLC with them able to play Arraez and Bell at 1B and DH.

He's not a great baserunner. being fast doesnt make 1 a great baserunner. he is at 62% over the last two years trying to steal bases. He's at 72% for his minor league career. almost nobody can become a real player at a .650 OPS. He needs to translate the hitting from AAAA level to the mlb level. Without it he's not a major leaguer.

Andrew lindsay is 24 and wasnt impressive in his 2 a ball appearances. they didnt give up much, they took a flier, which is fine, but lets not make it more than it is. I hope it pans out, but it says a lot about the guy how happy the rays fans were to see the trade. He has 250 mlb ab's and he has a .439 OPS and a .157 average. And he's going to be 26 opening day, it's not like he's 22. Lewis brinson for his career was a .574 OPS.

[lou]

He's not a great baserunner. being fast doesnt make 1 a great baserunner. he is at 62% over the last two years trying to steal bases. He's at 72% for his minor league career. almost nobody can become a real player at a .650 OPS. He needs to translate the hitting from AAAA level to the mlb level. Without it he's not a major leaguer.

Andrew lindsay is 24 and wasnt impressive in his 2 a ball appearances. they didnt give up much, they took a flier, which is fine, but lets not make it more than it is. I hope it pans out, but it says a lot about the guy how happy the rays fans were to see the trade. He has 250 mlb ab's and he has a .439 OPS and a .157 average. And he's going to be 26 opening day, it's not like he's 22. Lewis brinson for his career was a .574 OPS.

He’s been a positive base runner for his career and has huge upside. There is more to base running than stolen bases as you know and frankly, he’s never really been on base to showcase any ability at the MLB level. I agree he’s a good flyer and it didn’t cost much? That doesn’t mean they didn’t like Lindsey and he got positive draft reports? Brujan is a career .198 BABIP at the MLB level and has done borderline very well in AAA so something is going to give there even if he never really makes it? Even Brinson had a .256 career BABIP? Why are you arguing this? It’s a smart move? I think he is a good bet for the price, OOO, and they are going to play him and see if the change of scenery sticks. He’ll be gone by June for Amaya or Dan or Tristan if he stinks. The end?

[Lee Stone]

Evaluating Bendix thus far:

Adding Tristan Gray. Why bother? There's no getting the whiff problem solved at this point.
Cutting Garrett Hampson. Why? He was solid in his role. Best year of his career and 1.4 WAR.
Adding Vidal Brujan. Why? Hampson was far better in the same role.
Failing to protect Johnston. Why? No defensive value but a promising and improving left-handed bat.
Failing to protect Nunez. Why? Much better IF defender and baserunner than Brujan.

[Namaste]

Cutting Garrett Hampson. Why? He was solid in his role. Best year of his career and 1.4 WAR.
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He had a 0.7 WAR (Fangraphs) on a .379 BABIP

Hampson had a nice little season for us but let’s not get carried away.

Should we be evaluating Bendix 2 weeks into his tenure? We have no concept of the big picture, right?

[Lee Stone]

He had a 0.7 WAR (Fangraphs) on a .379 BABIP

Hampson had a nice little season for us but let’s not get carried away.

Should we be evaluating Bendix 2 weeks into his tenure? We have no concept of the big picture, right?

We only know that what has been done thus far gives us no preview of a brighter picture.

[fish16]

Evaluating Bendix thus far:

Adding Tristan Gray. Why bother? There's no getting the whiff problem solved at this point.
Cutting Garrett Hampson. Why? He was solid in his role. Best year of his career and 1.4 WAR.
Adding Vidal Brujan. Why? Hampson was far better in the same role.
Failing to protect Johnston. Why? No defensive value but a promising and improving left-handed bat.
Failing to protect Nunez. Why? Much better IF defender and baserunner than Brujan.

Gray- because he has great power and any down tick in his K rate will be a potential piece. It's a minor league contract.
Hampson- decent piece, nothing special, bigger role for edwards
Brujan- just a flier, higher ceiling than hampson.
Johnston- the team knows more about it's guys then you do. no guarantee he gets taken in the rule 5 and even if he does there is a chance he gets returned after spring.
Nunez- Cant hit.

Hope that solves it for you.

[Todd]

Gray and Brujan are going to go 3/8 and 4/9 to start spring and Lee will declare them all star pieces.

[lou]

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...-preview-2023/

Anyone have BA and what’s the top 10 unprotected in their opinion? I ask as are Johnston, Banfield, or Nasim there?

[fish16]

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...-preview-2023/

Anyone have BA and what’s the top 10 unprotected in their opinion? I ask as are Johnston, Banfield, or Nasim there?

Johnston and Nunez are, banfield isn’t. Johnston is going to be 27 at some point next year and they say that’s why he wasn’t protected. Nunez first 2 sentences flat out say “Nunez is not ready to hit MLB pitching. There is no assurance that he ever will.“


kam misner on the list as well

[lou]

Johnston and Nunez are, banfield isn’t. Johnston is going to be 27 at some point next year and they say that’s why he wasn’t protected. Nunez first 2 sentences flat out say “Nunez is not ready to hit MLB pitching. There is no assurance that he ever will.“


kam misner on the list as well

Kind of fun three marlins draftees there.

If Johnston is a top 10 guy available, that seems like a miss with the current status of the Marlins 40 man. I get Nunez more because of the lack of hit tool and a lot of guys can play defense They have empty spots plus are protecting guys like Simpson and Groshans. And Garcia. Ultimately, I don’t expect this to be a big deal but it is strange. You can just DFA him later if you get more guys. I guess they suppose sneaking him through now is a better idea.

[fish16]

The names on the list are:

Tanner Burns, P, Cleveland
Blaine Crim, 1b/3b, Rangers
Shane Drohan, P, Red Sox,
Johnston
Grant Mcray, OF, Giants,
Misner
Nasim Nunez
Shane Sasaki, OF, Rays- given the connection with the rays maybe someone to look out for. Righty, CF and LF, good defense, elite speed and base running ability. Only issue is he hasnt gotten to AA yet so it would really be a stash and hide for a year which would take a year away from his development.
CJ Van Eyk, P, Blue Jays
Chris Williams, 1b/C- Twins. Maybe someone to look out for. Ton of power. They say he cant handle every day C but he can be a 3rd C and a DH/1b option. Kind of like a poor mans garver.

My choice would be to bring Misner back. Traded him for Wendle, got 2 pretty bad years out of wendle, let the rays player development system get their hands on misner, now bring him back. His OPS has gotten better all 4 years of his minor league career, he steals bases super efficiently, and although he K's a ton, he also walks a ton. The issue for him is that he is just like jazz and Sanchez, he cant hit lefties.

[Nick]

I think we should draft Troy Johnston.

[Lee Stone]

Surprise, I have a totally different take. Ian Seymour is my pick for the Marlins.

[lou]

Surprise, I have a totally different take. Ian Seymour is my pick for the Marlins.

I think, if anyone, it’s that Burns guy from Cleveland or Wilcox (Rays). It’s hard to project any of these other guys making it on the Marlins. A right handed arm who’s been through AA and their stuff may play up not starting seems like a bet. I won’t be surprised if they do nothing.

[lou]

MLBTR has an article about Marlins wanting a catcher.

The TLDR mentions are Bart, Herrera, and Vazquez as top trade options with Gary, Caratini, and Murphy as top FA options. Nothing about Jansen or Kirk. Nothing new here although I’m not sure any of us mentioned Bart. Maybe he needs a change of scenery.

Pretty lackluster list here.