2023-2024 Offseason Thread

[Namaste]

Marlins picking up Berti’s $3.625 club option for 24’

[lou]

Right. I do think he’s going to spend a bit because I just can’t believe Bendix signs on if Bruce doesn’t promise to spend some. And if they don’t spend, I don’t think they have much of a chance. That being said, if not spending is a given, I’d rather someone who can help them contend on little money rather than someone who won’t help them contend spending little money.

I hope you are right as they passed on Soler QO. Cheap! But hopefully that’s just a, we’re going to really run on Adames+extension or Bellinger or Montgomery so the funds just get moved to something good and not a collection of Andrus, Gurriel, Rosario, Wendle, and Barnes guys. We shall see.

[Lee Stone]

Bendix task Number One: Go get us Royce Lewis from Minnesota.

[Nick]

Bendix task Number One: Go get us Royce Lewis from Minnesota.

I think that ship has passed. Time to get him was last offseason up until he returned from injury. The cost to get him now would be astronomical.

[fish16]

this team is going to have to improve via trade and minor pieces in free agency. idk how many times players have to show us they dont want to be here. We need to start winning consistently for any major guys to start signing here. To think we are going to sign Bellinger or have any chance is just absurd.

[fish16]

With Soler likely gone, that opens up a lot more playing time for Edwards, but it remains to be seen if they want to move arraez to 1b. they seemed hesitant to do so last year. It seems like the obvious move, but they shied away from that last year.

With Soler gone, i would move Bell to DH full time because he wears ankle weights defensively, move Arraez to 1b, Edwards gets an every day shot at 2b, trade for Adames and Jansen, and then go get one of the many corner OF's that are available for relatively cheap every year in FA. Then 1 decent innings eating SP and a middle reliever. Realistically, we arent going to go sign a big time SP because of our limited resources and Sandy only being out for a year. I think they will try to piece it together next year with 1 minor move and then get everyone back and healthy for 2025.

[Lee Stone]

I think that ship has passed. Time to get him was last offseason up until he returned from injury. The cost to get him now would be astronomical.

I was thinking something like Braxton Garrett and Max Meyer for starters.

[Lee Stone]

With Soler likely gone, that opens up a lot more playing time for Edwards, but it remains to be seen if they want to move arraez to 1b. they seemed hesitant to do so last year. It seems like the obvious move, but they shied away from that last year.

With Soler gone, i would move Bell to DH full time because he wears ankle weights defensively, move Arraez to 1b, Edwards gets an every day shot at 2b, trade for Adames and Jansen, and then go get one of the many corner OF's that are available for relatively cheap every year in FA. Then 1 decent innings eating SP and a middle reliever. Realistically, we arent going to go sign a big time SP because of our limited resources and Sandy only being out for a year. I think they will try to piece it together next year with 1 minor move and then get everyone back and healthy for 2025.

I definitely want Edwards to have a shot in the everyday lineup.

[rmc523]

Basically, we want the Rays front office development with Twins/Mariners ownership payroll ($137-153m, which is 17th/18th). And that can (radically) scale down in non contending years to deflect against paying those in a 3-5 year contending window, etc. That’s a reasonable request also and not expecting them to all of a sudden be a top 10 ($192m and more) payroll team.

A Rays front office strategy alone isn’t going to cut it for me. Nothing is going to change without Bruce funding at least contending windows even if they burn it all down after. So this is a “cool” move with all eyes on Bruce to do his part after the team
made the playoffs. Please Bruce don’t lose the momentum. It sucks Sandy got hurt but the team will be good if you want it to be.

This is what we've all wanted......

[Namaste]

I can’t wait for Trevor Rogers to pitch 11 innings for the entire 2024 season.

[lou]

I think that ship has passed. Time to get him was last offseason up until he returned from injury. The cost to get him now would be astronomical.

I agree.

Jeffers, Vazquez
Kiriloff, Miranda
Julien
Correa, Farmer
Lewis
Wallner, Larnach
Buxton (they want to play him more defensively I read)
Castro
TBD - Kepler, Polanco, Gordon

They have Brooks Lee coming mid season too. Aka who the Marlins should have drafted before Berry.

If we’re talking Twins, I think Polanco makes sense. Especially if he can play SS for 80 games which would give them an interesting platoon with Berti. Polanco is a RHP splits guy for his career so you’d forsake some defense to get his offense before a late game defensive change, etc.

[lou]

this team is going to have to improve via trade and minor pieces in free agency. idk how many times players have to show us they dont want to be here. We need to start winning consistently for any major guys to start signing here. To think we are going to sign Bellinger or have any chance is just absurd.

MLBTR thinks Bellinger is going to get $250m and Montgomery $150m. I think those projections are absurd as Nimmo/Bryant got $70-90m less and Montgomery is not a $25m a year pitcher over 6 years. If they are right though, nothing in free agency is going to make sense for the Marlins until you get to 1-2 year guys like Rosario and Lorenzen which sounds a lot like Segura and Cueto.

If Bruce will spend money guys will come here. But frankly if those are the prices - and add in $100m to Castellanos which was too much - a lot of these guys are hard passes.

Eduardo they had around $90m in a new deal over 4+ years. I think that would make sense to open up a SP trade for young bats, etc. I think Bruce can afford two deals around that and maintain sub $120m payrolls. I’ll have to think about the prices for my own internal thoughts of what may be possible.

[lou]

With Soler likely gone, that opens up a lot more playing time for Edwards, but it remains to be seen if they want to move arraez to 1b. they seemed hesitant to do so last year. It seems like the obvious move, but they shied away from that last year.

With Soler gone, i would move Bell to DH full time because he wears ankle weights defensively, move Arraez to 1b, Edwards gets an every day shot at 2b, trade for Adames and Jansen, and then go get one of the many corner OF's that are available for relatively cheap every year in FA. Then 1 decent innings eating SP and a middle reliever. Realistically, we arent going to go sign a big time SP because of our limited resources and Sandy only being out for a year. I think they will try to piece it together next year with 1 minor move and then get everyone back and healthy for 2025.

Add Barger to the Toronto deal there who can play LF and dabble in the IF. Marlins can get them pitching. They picked up Chad Greens option so they need to shed some money and Marlins can get them a slew of reasonable pitching to help them out.

We’re on the same page for the plan. Adames, Jansen, and a good FA Sp for a few years would be my ideal top 3 moves. Adames also gets a $150m extension there and Jansen a smaller $25-30m one. Luzardo, Arraez, and Eury all extended, and maybe Jazz and Scott too.

This team is good and call the parenthesis years of control if they did do those extensions which they should.

Jansen (4), Fortes (5) (Banfield 6)
Arraez (6)
Edwards (6) (Amaya 6, Cappe 6)
Adames (6), Berti (1)
Burger (5)
Barger (6), Hampson (1)
Jazz (3+)
Sanchez (4)
Bell (1), DLC (4)

Eury (8), Luzardo (5), Garrett (5), Cabrera (5), New Free Agent (4), Max (5), Weathers (5), DL - Sandy (4) (I’ll use Rogers here to get Adames, which is reasonable as Adames has 1 control year) (with Noble and White in pipeline. We’ll say Fulton going to Toronto)

Scott (3), Puk (3), Okert (3) (We’ll use Nardi in Tor deal too)
ton of club controlled right handers with 4-6 years of control but will likely need 1-2 high leverage ones. Sounds like deadline moves

I think we’d all be pumped and the team is literally set IMO. They can get Candelarios and Moores and Rosario’s at the deadline as needed.

$120m in 2024 and that includes the $25m in dead money to Sandy, Garcia, Barnes, and Cueto

[lou]

I was thinking something like Braxton Garrett and Max Meyer for starters.

I think Royce is going to be a DUDE so I’d be very open to trading big for him like this if they would do it, assuming also if Bruce would immediately spend to get SP to help as they’d really need SP trading two of them. But I can’t see them moving him. They’d want Eury or Luzardo IMO.

[lou]

This is what we've all wanted......

Right, but I’d rather have the budget than the FO as you can mask the problems with the money a lot easier I mean all roads leads to Bruce to become a better owner. Invest in the product, etc etc