2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

We're back talking to gurriel. would be a minor league deal if completed according to rosenthal. Lou is going to hate it but i love it. No downside. He's not going to be worse than hampson, and there is upside to him as a complement to Cooper at 1b and Soler at DH against lefties.

[fish16]

When it happens, gurriel is really good against lefties. He had a down year last year and still had an OPS of .740 against lefties, but a year removed from winning the batting title, he was great in the playoffs last year, for his career he is an .807 OPS against lefties with just 92 k's and 72 walks in 1003 plate appearances. It's as simple as DLC and Sanchez dont hit lefties well, so against lefties gurriel dh's and soler moves to LF. That's a lineup improvement, and it adds more contact to the lineup. And Groshans and hampson arent on the roster, and berti is the super utility infield backup.

Against lefties it becomes

2b-Arraez
SS- Berti
CF- Jazz
LF- Soler
Rf-Garcia
1b-Cooper
3b- Segura
DH- Gurriel
C- Fortes/Stallings

Righties its

Arraez
Segura
Jazz
Soler
Cooper
DLC/Sanchez
Garcia
Wendle
Fortes/Stallings

Wouldnt be surprised if DLC is shipped for another bullpen arm before the season and Burdick and Sanchez platoon full time.

[lou]

I like Nunez, but he hit .251 between AA and High-A last year. If he hits .150 at the big league level, his skills don't play. Nunez needs to show he can hit for average at AAA before he gets the call.

Absolutely. I don't see why he should be in AAA until August. And that's if things go well for him.

[Nick]

I'd rather DLC get the ABs. I'm not completely buying into this DLC swing change breakout season thing, but if you're going to upgrade him, upgrade him, not this minor league deal to a 39-year old who was terrible last year.

[lou]

We're back talking to gurriel. would be a minor league deal if completed according to rosenthal. Lou is going to hate it but i love it. No downside. He's not going to be worse than hampson, and there is upside to him as a complement to Cooper at 1b and Soler at DH against lefties.

They can certainly try him out for the first 39 days of the season at minimum.

I'd just let LeBlanc do it personally, but who cares. He can be next up. It is much better on a MiLB/minimum deal versus presumably throwing several million at him which is what it would have taken before since he turned down at least $2m from the Twins and Marlins.

[lou]

I'd rather DLC get the ABs. I'm not completely buying into this DLC swing change breakout season thing, but if you're going to upgrade him, upgrade him, not this minor league deal to a 39-year old who was terrible last year.

Yes. They want him to get 500 PA and whatever fish16 thinks about him, that's not what they think. He is going to play. It'll have to be a really bad 2 months for them to jump ship on him *and* he has an option so he's going nowhere but Jacksonville.

Gurriel would play against lefties and steal an off-day for Cooper maintenance if they get 3-4 right handers in a row. That's all this would be. Berti would get SS on lefties and cycle through off-days for literally everyone else on the team with everyone else being able to be shifted about.

Hopefully fangraphs is wrong. I'll be surprised if they are and there is a positive WAR coming here - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-outl...-yuli-gurriel/

[fish16]

It’s a buy low opportunity. If he stinks you cut bait. Maybe you find another bounce back year. For what it’s worth, he was tremendous in the playoffs for them so it’s not like he had a fast start and fell apart as his body fell apart. He played his best at the end of the year.

leblanc is a nothing player so if they do want to play games with groshans, at least do it with a veteran with a track record of really good play and hope for a bounce back or a guy who can hit lefties competently. Remember, we were literally historically bad against lefties last year, so any bit helps. He’s also first base depth in case Cooper gets hurt yet again. He isn’t a quality defender at 1st, but it allows Arraez and jazz to stick to one position and not have them shifting around the entire lineup construction for one injury. Although if they do end up signing him, I’d be hard pressed to think he’s ready for opening day unless he is signed in the next few days.

for a minor league deal for the last bench spot, it’s a quality addition to see if you can get some more production against lefties. Low risk, potential solid reward.

to me it does say that they don’t think dlc or Sanchez will hit lefties, and if that’s the case, I’d prefer they cut bait with one and let burdick get the AB’s at the big league level against lefties. Get a bullpen arm for dlc and roll with Sanchez and burdick. I think burdick is going to surprise this year

[fish16]

I'd rather DLC get the ABs. I'm not completely buying into this DLC swing change breakout season thing, but if you're going to upgrade him, upgrade him, not this minor league deal to a 39-year old who was terrible last year.

I think it’s burdick who would potentially be the upgrade with dlc or Sanchez being moved for another bullpen arm or maybe a ss. Gurriel is the last bench spot competition

[fish16]

Soler is hitting the shit out of the ball in spring so far. Just had an rbi single. 107 exit velocity. Keep this man healthy

[fish16]

The 4 big bats in the lineup power wise have gotten off to solid starts in spring. Garcia, jazz, soler, and Cooper all seeing the ball well. Only one not hitting .300 is jazz at .286.

[fish16]

One thing that just came out- Edward Cabrera is in fact not out of options. He has one more left. Doubt that changes anything, he needs to be in the rotation if he’s healthy

today, his velocity is at 93.2…….. with his change up. He is completely filthy

3 solid innings today from him

[fish16]

Yes. They want him to get 500 PA and whatever fish16 thinks about him, that's not what they think. He is going to play. It'll have to be a really bad 2 months for them to jump ship on him *and* he has an option so he's going nowhere but Jacksonville.

Gurriel would play against lefties and steal an off-day for Cooper maintenance if they get 3-4 right handers in a row. That's all this would be. Berti would get SS on lefties and cycle through off-days for literally everyone else on the team with everyone else being able to be shifted about.

Hopefully fangraphs is wrong. I'll be surprised if they are and there is a positive WAR coming here - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-outl...-yuli-gurriel/

Again, your whole basis for the 500 pa thing was an interview skip did in November that was a throwaway line. That’s not some organizational philosophy, your basing a lot on a line from November before jazz was moved to cf

on a related note, Jesus Sanchez just got a hit off Mackenzie gore and stole 2nd for his second steal of the spring

[lou]

Again, your whole basis for the 500 pa thing was an interview skip did in November that was a throwaway line. That’s not some organizational philosophy, your basing a lot on a line from November before jazz was moved to cf

on a related note, Jesus Sanchez just got a hit off Mackenzie gore and stole 2nd for his second steal of the spring

Again, your whole basis for being against DLC is not believing what they have literally said, and literally the entire scouting community thinking he is a breakout waiting to happen. This is everyone from Statcast, to Fangraphs, to MLB, to move fantasy sites. Look at this epic redness - https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...-r-hitting-mlb. Imagine if he cuts a few strikeouts what's going to happen?

Enough is enough my man. Embrace DLC is going to be given a very long look and he's not being moved for some throwaway RP.

[lou]

One thing that just came out- Edward Cabrera is in fact not out of options. He has one more left. Doubt that changes anything, he needs to be in the rotation if he’s healthy

today, his velocity is at 93.2…….. with his change up. He is completely filthy

3 solid innings today from him

This is actually big - how did this magically happen? It also matters as it allows them to have another arm to bring up relievers.

Call it the 6 man rotation - when Cabrera or Garret are about to be skipped, they can be sent down for 10 days, then can call up a reliever for 10 days. It matters a lot as if they are fully healthy..... Barnes, Floro, Chargois, Enright (RuleV), Puk, Scott, and Bleier aren't getting sent down. Puk is the only one with an option there and thats tough if he is performing.

So having the ability to do that with Garrett and Cabrera (they can do this with Rogers also, but again tougher for union purposes with a guy with 2+ years of service time. Same as Puk) may pay some real dividends here with some bullpen maneuvering.

[fish16]

Again, your whole basis for being against DLC is not believing what they have literally said, and literally the entire scouting community thinking he is a breakout waiting to happen. This is everyone from Statcast, to Fangraphs, to MLB, to move fantasy sites. Look at this epic redness - https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...-r-hitting-mlb. Imagine if he cuts a few strikeouts what's going to happen?

Enough is enough my man. Embrace DLC is going to be given a very long look and he's not being moved for some throwaway RP.

My whole basis for being against dlc is that he was straight up horrific for an entire season and had a 10 day hot streak in meaningless games that brought his numbers up that don’t reflect his true production last year. He was horrific all year outside of meaningless September baseball.

also, again, when you say it’s what “they” said, you are again referring to an interview from schumaker from November. He had 1 throwaway line that said he expects dlc to get 500 at bats before they moved jazz to cf. as I showed you weeks ago, they have had like 1 guy in the last 4 years who has gotten that many at bats, and it was starlin Castro who played all 162 games.

I hope he all of a sudden became a monster hitter, but chances are he didn’t go from terrible all year last year to a great hitter based off a swing change. I would love for him to have become a great player, but he almost assuredly didn’t. He’s a very nice 4th outfielder.

you talk about embracing the redness while ignoring the fact that he strikes out a ton and doesn’t walk. He had a 25.5% k rate and 5.4% bb rate. Sure he hits the ball hard when he hits it. But he doesn’t hit it a lot and doesn’t walk at all