2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

Jazz so far in center- not very good. Runner at second and a single goes to him, instead of letting the runner score or at least prevent the guy from getting to second, he completely overthrew not only the cutoff man but also the catcher and it hits the backstop

[fish16]

Dax Fulton looks like a slightly taller lefty brad penny

[fish16]

Garcia with a homer just now and a double earlier. He is very clearly in much better shape this year. He will no doubt be better than last year, hopefully it’s a lot better instead of just a little

[Lee Stone]

Means little that the Marlins have a team OPS that is dead last in baseball in the early going ... by a full hundred points lower than 29th place. Or that the pitching staff has surrendered the highest batting average in MLB, an astounding .342. Just stats, of course. Somebody has to be last.

Good news is that those wagering on Marlins games this season will get fantastic odds!

[Namaste]

Means little that the Marlins have a team OPS that is dead last in baseball in the early going ... by a full hundred points lower than 29th place. Or that the pitching staff has surrendered the highest batting average in MLB, an astounding .342. Just stats, of course. Somebody has to be last.

Good news is that those wagering on Marlins games this season will get fantastic odds!

What would it mean if the Marlins were 4-0 in Spring Training?

[Lee Stone]

What would it mean if the Marlins were 4-0 in Spring Training?

It would probably mean that they were hitting and pitching better.

[Namaste]

It would probably mean that they were hitting and pitching better.

Would the Marlins being 4-0 right now be a good indication that they would play better during the regular season?

[Nick]

We were the best team in the league in 2021 after having the best record in Spring Training that year, right?

[lou]

What would it mean if the Marlins were 4-0 in Spring Training?

Hopefully I am not aging myself with this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoiGZ47aRao

[fish16]

Means little that the Marlins have a team OPS that is dead last in baseball in the early going ... by a full hundred points lower than 29th place. Or that the pitching staff has surrendered the highest batting average in MLB, an astounding .342. Just stats, of course. Somebody has to be last.

Good news is that those wagering on Marlins games this season will get fantastic odds!

spring training overall stats are about as meaningless as ben meyer 2 ERA that one year. our starters are pitching 2 innings so far and the starting hitters play 3 innings. It's about seeing how individual players look. They could not win a game in spring and still take some positives away. Just like them being the best team in spring training for a few of the recent years meant absolutely nothing. It's about seeing Garcia in shape, Rogers look like 2021, jazz improving in CF as time goes on, cooper not being hit directly in the hand while hitting, Cabrera and luzardo staying healthy, Soler look better, Arraez hit. I dont care what the inidivudal stats look like, especially 4 games into spring when more than half the game is played by guys in AA and AAA all year.

[Namaste]

Hopefully I am not aging myself with this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoiGZ47aRao

Hahahaha I need to re-watch that entire movie

[fish16]

good start for sandy today. Don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but it seems we might have something with that guy.

[fish16]

Lindor crushed a ball from jupiter to new york off of floro

[lou]

Outside of the box trade idea. Musgrove got hurt and might miss some time. Padres SP is thin otherwise with all their trades. They could really use a 6th SP as a contender.

Garrett, Cooper, Stallings.... for
Kim, Campusano

The Padres can shift Cronenworth back to 2B, Cooper/Carpenter can each play 1B and give each other the off days they need, and Stallings is fine as the backup to Nola or a pure timeshare. Tatis is still in RF here if any infielder gets hurt and they can shuffle from there. Garrett is a huge longterm get for them and Cooper/Stallings are useful enough. The Marlins could maybe throw in something like R. Hernandez (barely top 20 prospect C) or any catcher in the system not named Mack also. I think there are some variations to this also - they could get them Fortes versus Stallings and Cabrera over Garrett with Padres kicking in something else - but this sort of thing makes A LOT of sense to me for everyone. The Padres can live without those guys for an arm. The Marlins need some positional upgrades.


So the Marlins perspective, Kim is roughly 2/$15 with a 2025 option TBD on plate appearances. The Marlins actually save $500k doing this move for 2023, but absorb another $10m with Kim next year and the option buyout. He's worth it to bridge SS another year (or move him to 2B if they got Rosario in next year's FA, etc.). Campusano is club controlled 2023-2024 and will be a super 2 in 2025, arbitration 2026-2028. He has an option this year if he has to go down. An absolutely huge longterm move for a maybe catcher, or a hybrid backup catcher/part time DH player who should hit. I can see a world where Fortes would start 100, Campusano 62, and Campusano starts another 70+ games at DH. That sets up Berry in a perfect world to be a 1B, or part time 1B and he gets the rest of the DH time.

Kim has a career .741 OPS vs LHP and is superb defensively. He's a better Rojas IMO. He's a perfect compliment to Wendle. He had a 3.7 WAR last year which is likely (vastly) overachieving, but he's a floor 2+ WAR defender kind of like Rojas. They could set up an IF defensive situation like this:

(Starts)
C - Fortes 81 / Campusano 81
1B - Arraez 142 / Fortes 20(right?)
2B - Segura 130 / Wendle 32
SS - Kim 130 / Wendle 32
3B - Berti 110 / Wendle 52

Yes I know I am firmly against Arraez at 1B, but, the combo of (1) an above average SS with Kim and really building out this IF depth + (2) whatever value one gets moving Segura to 2B + (3) betting on the longterm bat of Campusano (I know I have Nick's attention here) + (4) not being required carrying another MI on the roster as Arraez and Jazz could operate as the 5th MI so your last bench spot can be a bat, i.e. a specialist like Burdick mashing lefties (ideally this is a 1B though), is worth having "inefficient" defensive placement at 1B. Practically, this is one of the best defensive infields in baseball IMO as Arraez would be very good there (and now I have fish16's attention), the bat just would play more at 2B. But you'd have to do this as it's a net gain offensively short term and long term with what Kim would do for the defense.

So the pitching. I think they'd be in dangerous waters without all 6 of the MLB SP.... but maybe you stretch out Puk a little and get a surprise from someone like Smeltzer. Longterm obviously no SP issues with Eury/Eder/Meyer/Fulton/Sixto coming by next summer. Some innings eaters (Dylan Bundy) are also out there and would be cheap. Basically, I'd bet on them figuring out the 6-7-8 SP over 150-200 IP versus relying on Groshans/LeBlanc/Amaya/Hampson having a competent 500+ PA.


Some food for thought. Some of you have mentioned recently you'd love to get out of Cooper, this is the smart way of doing that IMO and then figure out how to get Arraez back to 2B next year when you presumably don't re-sign Wendle (replaced by Amaya) and maybe Berti is gone too (replaced by Groshans/Edwards). Hopefully they are cooking something up here.

[lou]

Fangraphs hates Yuli now also - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-outl...-yuli-gurriel/

TLDR he is cooked