2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fauowls44]

Anything less than dealing for Reynolds and this offseason is a complete failure.

That really isn’t fair. What if the Pirates don’t want to trade him? Can’t blame the Marlins for not getting a player that isn’t available.

That said, they still need another bat, regardless if it’s a CF or not. Kim’s quote about Cooper being the 1st baseman “right now” was interesting. It’s a lot easier to acquire a 1B than try to get a CF.

[Nick]

That really isn’t fair. What if the Pirates don’t want to trade him? Can’t blame the Marlins for not getting a player that isn’t available.

That said, they still need another bat, regardless if it’s a CF or not. Kim’s quote about Cooper being the 1st baseman “right now” was interesting. It’s a lot easier to acquire a 1B than try to get a CF.

I think it is fair, they've put themselves in this situation where he's the only option. If they opened up the pocketbooks at all, that wouldn't be the case.

[Namaste]

Anything less than dealing for Reynolds and this offseason is a complete failure.

I feel strongly about this: there are SEVERAL teams interested in Reynolds. The Pirates are asking for the world.

The team that acquires Reynolds WILL severely overpay in prospects. I think a lot of people are underestimating what it will take to acquire him.

I give the Marlins a 3% chance of signing him.

[fauowls44]

I think it is fair, they've put themselves in this situation where he's the only option. If they opened up the pocketbooks at all, that wouldn't be the case.

But if he isn't currently available, what more can you do?

As much as I would want Reynolds, there are other good players out there. If the Pirates don't want to deal him, go get another good player.

[Nick]

I feel strongly about this: there are SEVERAL teams interested in Reynolds. The Pirates are asking for the world.

The team that acquires Reynolds WILL severely overpay in prospects. I think a lot of people are underestimating what it will take to acquire him.

I give the Marlins a 3% chance of signing him.

I give them less. And I'll roast them if they overpay, the bigger problem is they waited until January to do anything, and this is what they get.

[Nick]

But if he isn't currently available, what more can you do?

As much as I would want Reynolds, there are other good players out there. If the Pirates don't want to deal him, go get another good player.

I wasn't saying it has to be Reynolds, anything less than Reynolds is what I said. I'm just not sure I agree that there "are other good players out there" at this late stage of the offseason.

[lou]

I think it is fair, they've put themselves in this situation where he's the only option. If they opened up the pocketbooks at all, that wouldn't be the case.

I mean here here to the pocketbooks.

But the rest isn't fair. The goal was always adding 5-7 wins, is probably scaled to 7 as the Phillies really went for it. They probably need at least 3 more here to keep them honest, and they could do that pretty easily with Rosario/Profar, etc. Segura and Arraez are a step forward, likely as well as having better IF and Jazz is some kind of OF upgrade no doubt. They need that 3rd OOMPH guy like Reynolds, or get two upgrades (Rosario/Profar) to make up that same ground. We'll see what they do.

[Nick]

Jon Berti is better than Jurickson Profar.

[lou]

What's the longterm plan now also

C - Fortes ---> Mack/Hernandez
1B - Cooper --> ______
DH - Soler -- > Stopgaps/Berry
2B - Arraez (Edwards) -- > Lewis/new guy Vargas BP likes I guess
SS - Wendle ---> Amaya. Is Amaya the big winner here? ---- > Watson
3B - Segura/Berti --- > Groshans --- > Cappe
LF - DLC/Sanchez/Bleday -- > ______
CF - Jazz
RF - Garcia --- > Jerar/Mesa Jr/Peguero/Gerardo


I'd sell out here for a SS and shoot for Amaya/Edwards as the future IF bench behind Arraez, new SS, and Groshans. Rosario makes a lot of sense here and I'll keep saying it. Get him, sign him.

See how Jazz handles CF, and then target what's needed most of 1B/2B/CF next year depending on where Jazz and Arraez actually land. Worst case is likely 1BorDH/2B and they still need a CF.

College CF or C is likely best idea for first rounder this year. They can get on this same bat timeline.

[lou]

Jon Berti is better than Jurickson Profar.

So keep Wendle and just get Rosario. You can fit that into $100m payroll.

Fortes, Stallings
Cooper
Arraez
Rosario, Wendle
Segura, Berti
DLC, Sanchez
Jazz
Garcia
Soler

DLC has to play CF versus left handers. Other than that, this makes a lot of sense and very flexible.


Sandy, Luzardo, Cueto, Rogers, Cabrera (Eury)
Floro, Chargois, Enright, Nance (Sixto)
Garrett, Scott, Bleier, Okert (Eder)


As said above, sell out for SS. It's Rosario.

[Nick]

So keep Wendle and just get Rosario. You can fit that into $100m payroll.

Fortes, Stallings
Cooper
Arraez
Rosario, Wendle
Segura, Berti
DLC, Sanchez
Jazz
Garcia
Soler

DLC has to play CF versus left handers. Other than that, this makes a lot of sense and very flexible.


Sandy, Luzardo, Cueto, Rogers, Cabrera (Eury)
Floro, Chargois, Enright, Nance (Sixto)
Garrett, Scott, Bleier, Okert (Eder)


As said above, sell out for SS. It's Rosario.

Just seems like such a waste to have Garrett in the pen, and then pencil in DLC for 400 ABs. Misuse of resources.

[lou]

Just seems like such a waste to have Garrett in the pen, and then pencil in DLC for 400 ABs. Misuse of resources.

Organization says they want DLC to get 500+ PA, also his statcast is GOOD and this is with huge portions of the year with the old swing. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...-r-hitting-mlb. He's a real breakout candidate.

Garrett is still going to get 20 starts and 120+ innings there also. These guys aren't staying healthy and he'll just be stretched out. He's a real asset in this role. You could also do something really fun like make him and Cabrera the combined 5th SP and let them throw entire games. Make them both 4+ inning guys and multiple by 32. They'll get their innings.

[Erick]

I still feel like another pitcher for hitter trade should be made. I’m cool with this one, but I would like another one.

1 of Cabrera, Rogers, or Garrett can be traded for further help in the lineup, and maybe the hitter can fit in to make the defensive alignment make more sense.

Frankly, throw in Garrett Cooper as I’d much rather have Arraez play 1B than 2B. It would be great to add another middle infielder (or a CF’er and move Jazz back to the middle infield, idc either way).

If they do that and add another bullpen arm or two, I don’t mind the team.

Also, Berti isn’t better than Profar btw.

[Namaste]

DLC has to play CF versus left handers. Other than that, this makes a lot of sense.

Bingo. And this gives Jazz’s body the rest he will need to stay healthy for a full season.

[Namaste]

Berti and Profar had essentially the same WAR last year (2.3 and 2.5)

Profar will cost more, no?