2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[Nick]

That’s why Soler is a DH.

[Namaste]

Is there any reason why we don’t start 2023 with:

Sandy
Pablo
Cabrera
Meyer
Luzardo

with Eury and Sixto filling in when one (or two) of those inevitability get hurt.

or is Pablo gone at the deadline?

Bumping to next page cause Nick understandably thought this was the game thread.

[Nick]

Impossible to say if Pablo will be around.

Impossible to say if Sixto will even be a factor.

Jake Eder will be a factor if healthy and back to his 2021 form.

[Nick]

Rogers has to figure it out. It’s hard for me to pinpoint what exactly has been the problem for him this year but it seems like it should be fixable.

[fish16]

id still trade pablo for one of the best catching prospects in baseball who can hit and another bat. there's never been a question whether he can do what he's done this year, the question is whether he can stay healthy for an entire year and whether that shoulder will hold up long term. that;s still a question to me and if I can get a huge haul of bats, given our SP depth, id deal him in a heartbeat if the offer is good enough.

[Erick]

id still trade pablo for one of the best catching prospects in baseball who can hit and another bat. there's never been a question whether he can do what he's done this year, the question is whether he can stay healthy for an entire year and whether that shoulder will hold up long term. that;s still a question to me and if I can get a huge haul of bats, given our SP depth, id deal him in a heartbeat if the offer is good enough.

Our starting pitching depth isn’t that great.

[Nick]

Our starting pitching depth isn’t that great.

At this very moment, no, but next year, throwing Eury and Eder into the mix it should be. (and possibly Sixto who knows)

If you're trying to compete this year, absolutely Pablo is untouchable, but if we're playing for 2023, I think you gotta field offers.

[Erick]

At this very moment, no, but next year, throwing Eury and Eder into the mix it should be. (and possibly Sixto who knows)

If you're trying to compete this year, absolutely Pablo is untouchable, but if we're playing for 2023, I think you gotta field offers.

Pablo isn’t a free agent after the year so the offer better be great. Basically the young CF’er we’ve been waiting for better be in the offer.

Sandy is predictably way better than Todd said, and probably the surest thing in baseball as a SP right now. But after Sandy and Pablo, there are no sure things.

I would definitely count on Eury just because he basically seems like the prospect version of Sandy in terms of size and probably being able to handle the workload, but we’re talking about a 19/20-year-old next year.

Even if you want to say Sandy & Eury are sure things, there’s nothing else you can surely count on for next year in the starting 5.

Theres potential yeah, but the Marlins actually need to start deciding (imo) which of these arms fit better into high leverage relief roles as opposed to starting. Imo, a high leverage reliever that can go 2-3 innings is more valuable than maybe giving 5 every 5 days.

Rogers is having trouble going deep into games, Cabrera has 2 pitches, Luzardo is no sure thing especially with the injuries, etc.

Not sure we should be counting on Eder next year either. He’s had his own injuries, seems unfair to rely on these kids like that if we’re serious about competing next year. I would put Meyer above Eder actually. And even though I think Meyer can be the real deal, there are question marks about him as a starter too. Our SP depth is a bit overblown.

If they trade Pablo for a position player, they would need to sign at least 1 veteran SP to replace him. Probably 2 if they’re serious about competing (all indications from this ownership is that they’re not to be fair).

[Nick]

Pablo isn’t a free agent after the year so the offer better be great. Basically the young CF’er we’ve been waiting for better be in the offer.

Sandy is predictably way better than Todd said, and probably the surest thing in baseball as a SP right now. But after Sandy and Pablo, there are no sure things.

I would definitely count on Eury just because he basically seems like the prospect version of Sandy in terms of size and probably being able to handle the workload, but we’re talking about a 19/20-year-old next year.

Even if you want to say Sandy & Eury are sure things, there’s nothing else you can surely count on for next year in the starting 5.

Theres potential yeah, but the Marlins actually need to start deciding (imo) which of these arms fit better into high leverage relief roles as opposed to starting. Imo, a high leverage reliever that can go 2-3 innings is more valuable than maybe giving 5 every 5 days.

Rogers is having trouble going deep into games, Cabrera has 2 pitches, Luzardo is no sure thing especially with the injuries, etc.

Not sure we should be counting on Eder next year either. He’s had his own injuries, seems unfair to rely on these kids like that if we’re serious about competing next year. I would put Meyer above Eder actually. And even though I think Meyer can be the real deal, there are question marks about him as a starter too. Our SP depth is a bit overblown.

If they trade Pablo for a position player, they would need to sign at least 1 veteran SP to replace him. Probably 2 if they’re serious about competing (all indications from this ownership is that they’re not to be fair).

I don't feel like we're counting on Eder. I'm just saying if he's the 7th or 8th option next year we should feel pretty good.

I think you're underselling Cabrera. He had 3 definite pitches in the last game, he threw the curveball a lot and was effective. Is there room for improvement with it? Absolutely, but his fastball change combination is devastating.

Meyer was the most dominant pitcher in the minor leagues until the injury. There is still some reliever risk with him, but he'll get his shot in the rotation very soon.

Luzardo and Rogers have red flags, but they're going to be in MLB rotations for a long time. We've seen ace potential from both, both are 24 years old. If they're your 4 and 5 right now, your staff is in good shape, but there's potential for so much more. I think you're underselling them as well.

[rmc523]

Pablo isn’t a free agent after the year so the offer better be great. Basically the young CF’er we’ve been waiting for better be in the offer.

Sandy is predictably way better than Todd said, and probably the surest thing in baseball as a SP right now. But after Sandy and Pablo, there are no sure things.

I would definitely count on Eury just because he basically seems like the prospect version of Sandy in terms of size and probably being able to handle the workload, but we’re talking about a 19/20-year-old next year.

Even if you want to say Sandy & Eury are sure things, there’s nothing else you can surely count on for next year in the starting 5.

Theres potential yeah, but the Marlins actually need to start deciding (imo) which of these arms fit better into high leverage relief roles as opposed to starting. Imo, a high leverage reliever that can go 2-3 innings is more valuable than maybe giving 5 every 5 days.

Rogers is having trouble going deep into games, Cabrera has 2 pitches, Luzardo is no sure thing especially with the injuries, etc.

Not sure we should be counting on Eder next year either. He’s had his own injuries, seems unfair to rely on these kids like that if we’re serious about competing next year. I would put Meyer above Eder actually. And even though I think Meyer can be the real deal, there are question marks about him as a starter too. Our SP depth is a bit overblown.

If they trade Pablo for a position player, they would need to sign at least 1 veteran SP to replace him. Probably 2 if they’re serious about competing (all indications from this ownership is that they’re not to be fair).

And I’m sure they’ll ignore that and not get a vet starter….which they need EVERY year and never get….and simultaneously not call anyone up and we’ll be doing bullpen games half the season yet again…

[sports24/7]

Unless the Marlins make a real run, I think they should be looking at deals for Pablo. For a team like the Marlins, you always have to make sure to sell high, and his value may never be higher. Going into 2023, you're still going to have Sandy, Rogers, Luzardo, Cabrera, and Meyer. That's a solid-at-worst rotation if Rogers even ends up somewhere in between what he's been this year and last year. If you get Sixto back anything close to what he was when he jumped on the scene, that's a really good rotation. And then there's FA, and plenty of intriguing prospects to round things out if necessary.

If you can't get a huge return for Pablo, ok, keep him. But you very much should be able to assuming his play doesn't drop off between now and the trade deadline.

[Lee Stone]

Playing Houston is a grim reminder of what the Marlins may well have received for Realmuto. Rumor had it that Kyle Tucker and Framber Valdez were available as a trade package for JT. Would have been nice and perhaps even better than the Ozuna trade.

[sports24/7]

Playing Houston is a grim reminder of what the Marlins may well have received for Realmuto. Rumor had it that Kyle Tucker and Framber Valdez were available as a trade package for JT. Would have been nice and perhaps even better than the Ozuna trade.

It’s a fair point. But weren’t you pretty strongly against trading for Tucker because of his numbers?

[Erick]

Don Mattingly is, at best, one of the worst 5 managers in the big leagues, right?

There’s probably no way to quantify that, but there’s no way that he’s not bottom 5.

Still can’t believe he didn’t let Sandy face Didi last night.

[lou]

Fangraphs moved Eury to #11 overall. Watson way down to 99. Sixto drop out due to injury.

So the answer in hindsight was, they should have probably traded Watson, Meyer, and Bleday/Burdick for Reynolds and bednar, and their belief Eury is Fernandez/Beckett part 3 may be correct.