2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[fauowls44]

Just so confusing!! They pass on LHB bats to add Duvall to this

RHB who could play RF
Duvall
Coop
Aguilar
Brinson
Marte
Berti
Harold
Monte
Jerar

Yes Duvall has most power and got him cheaper.

They needed to add power to the lineup and Duvall certainly provides that. I would have expected a LHB, but Duvall hits pretty well against righties, so it’s not that confusing. Unless the return is great, I wouldn’t want Cooper traded. I would put him at 1st base until Lewin Diaz is ready. I know health is a concern, but when he’s in the lineup, he is one of the best bats on the roster. They obviously tendered Aguilar a contract thinking there would be a DH. If there isn’t, then that seems like a bit of a waste. That could be why Cooper’s name is out there since he would be the more valuable of the 2.

As for the others, it’s fairly obvious they don’t view Brinson and Harold as anything more than 4th or 5th OFs, Berti is more valuable in the INF, and Jerar needs a year in the minors. With the lost season last year, I think it’s smart to not count on prospects to start the season.

[rmc523]

Smart play would be a trade but we know the Marlins routine. They will likely DFA Sierra or Harold and then trade for a DSL prospect HAHAH

Cooper has more value than Aguilar which is why he is being mentioned. 4 teams(LAD/SD/TB/1 other AL team) have called on Cooper(SD would be my favorite especially since they been willing to overpay)

Name to watch is Monte Harrison,if a team is willing to trade a controllable RP for Monte he could be the OF dealt.

They would love a younger C in a deal but also looking for controllable ML RP which means Miami will probably DFA Cooper and then trade him to TB for 2 DSL prospects!!!

Why on earth would they just DFA Cooper?

[Lee Stone]

I don't think Aguilar could play RF, and it seems like the Organization did not feel comfortable with Cooper as an every day Outfielder, and I think I agree with them.

Duvall is at least a very good defensive OF. This year's rotation guys have a chance to be really good - the whole story for the Marlins really - and deserve to have defense backing them up. The entire group are throwing for minimum wage! Amazing potential really.

[Namaste]

Cooper is, at worst, our 4th best bat. It is unimaginable to trade him unless it solves our catching problem.

[Nick]

Cooper is, at worst, our 4th best bat. It is unimaginable to trade him unless it solves our catching problem.

To me, as far as expected production in 2021 goes, I think Cooper and Aguilar are about a wash. Duvall is better than both. One of them has to go. Cooper has a little more value from a trade standpoint due to club control, so I think he's going to be the one to go. Definitely using him as a piece in a deal for Catcher or backend reliever would be best case scenario.

[fauowls44]

@Ken_Rosenthal
Free-agent RHP Brandon Kintzler has agreed to a minor-league contract with the Phillies. Says he turned down major-league deal from the Marlins for the chance to make more money in Philadelphia.
[URL="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1359551134021648391"]12:13 PM

He can make $3 million in Philadelphia if he makes the team, with another $1 million in incentives...so basically the $4 million he lost when we declined his option. No word on what the Marlins offer was, but I'd guess around half that since they are paying Bass $2.5 million.

I don't really blame the Marlins for setting a limit on what they are willing to pay him. He was very good last year, but with relievers, who knows if that would have carried over. There are still plenty of good back end options available that will jump at a MLB deal if that is what the Marlins are offering.

[Namaste]

Love it. Way too many base runners. Back to back good days for the Fish!

[Nick]

Give Trevor Rosenthal 1 year / $6 million and be done with it.

[fauowls44]

Give Trevor Rosenthal 1 year / $6 million and be done with it.

I'd like that, but I cannot imagine that they will pay any reliever $6 million. Right now, based on the 40 current 40 man, I'd say the bullpen locks are:

RH: Bass (closer), Yimi, Hoyt, Cimber
LH: Bleier, Detwiler

Campbell, Pop, Vesia, Holloway, and Brigham fighting for the last spots. You have to imagine another arm with late inning experience will be added.

[fauowls44]

Barry Jackson

@flasportsbuzz
Per source, Marlins offered their 2020 closer Brandon Kintzler $2 M guaranteed on Monday night; Jeter offered to call him to discuss it. Was difficult decision but Kintzler opted instead for $3 million (non-guaranteed) with Phillies with another $1 M in attainable incentives.
[URL="https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1359565169714692097"]1:09 PM

[Nick]

I'd like that, but I cannot imagine that they will pay any reliever $6 million. Right now, based on the 40 current 40 man, I'd say the bullpen locks are:

I unfortunately agree with you, but that's just sad. Pretty much every Starting Pitcher we throw out there this year is going to be making the minimum, and the rotation should be the strongest part of the team. There should be money available to improve the other areas.

[fauowls44]

I unfortunately agree with you, but that's just sad. Pretty much every Starting Pitcher we throw out there this year is going to be making the minimum, and the rotation should be the strongest part of the team. There should be money available to improve the other areas.

Yup...but I feel like this isn't just a Marlins thing. I just can't imagine any team spending $6 million for a reliever at this point when veteran pitchers are taking MiLB deals.

[Nick]

Yup...but I feel like this isn't just a Marlins thing. I just can't imagine any team spending $6 million for a reliever at this point when veteran pitchers are taking MiLB deals.

So what do you think guys like Rosenthal and Melancon will end up getting?

[fauowls44]

So what do you think guys like Rosenthal and Melancon will end up getting?

Good question...maybe you are right and $6 million is about right. I just don't see any team with an obvious need that is going to be willing to spend right now.

Perhaps it's just my own personal philosophy to not spend on relievers having seen the Marlins burned spending on Bell, Tazawa, and Zeigler while getting a perfectly good year from Kintzler last year for a prorated $3 million (and Romo for $2.5 million the year before). I guess the question is how much more do you trust Rosenthal to close a game than Yimi or Bass? So far, the indication seems to be that the Marlins don't think spending that much more than $2-3 million on a closer is worth it.

There are probably 8 to 12 experienced relievers still out there on the market with closing experience, so there are probably still bargains to be had.

[Nick]

If the Marlins spend $6 million on a closer, their 8-man reliever core will cost a total of $13.35 million. and the total money they'll be spending on pitching will be $16.8 million. That's still a ridiculously cheap pitching staff.