2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[sports24/7]

There has to be a trade coming. Mish says the Dodgers have called on Cooper.

[fauowls44]

There has to be a trade coming. Mish says the Dodgers have called on Cooper.

Yeah, with a full 40 man and a glut of OF, you have to think there are a few moves coming. I personally would like to keep Cooper, but I could see him having more trade value than Aguilar (he's under team control through the 2023 season). The Dodgers could be an interesting trade partner. I would love to get Keibert Ruiz.

[fish16]

id trade aguilar before cooper unless cooper has this significant value that I don't anticipate. obviously if we could deal cooper and a few prospects for keibert ruiz id do it (I've been clammoring for him for months now), but I just don't see him having that type of value. I see that more as a RP deal, and if that's the case id go with cooper over aguilar.

[Namaste]

I like it. If he can match what he's done in 2019-2020 in 339 ABs over a full season. (approx. an .850 OPS) Then that's a huge steal.

yup

nice .360 and .338 wOBA the last 2 seasons

[sports24/7]

Yeah, with a full 40 man and a glut of OF, you have to think there are a few moves coming. I personally would like to keep Cooper, but I could see him having more trade value than Aguilar (he's under team control through the 2023 season). The Dodgers could be an interesting trade partner. I would love to get Keibert Ruiz.

Ruiz was my first thought as well. I wonder what we'd have to add to get him. With the glut of OF and SP prospects, and Miami clearly not having a problem trading prospects for prospects, it could be a match.

[fish16]

I think we're stuck with Dickerson. (I could easily see him rebound this year) I think you gotta deal one of Cooper or Aguilar now, especially with no DH for the NL.

normally id agree but with one year left especially I could see some sort of deal involving kimbrel and contreras. we have the prospects for contreras, and kimbrel for Dickerson makes sense if the cubs eat some money because kimbrel has 2 years left and Dickerson 1, so depending on the money they throw us and the prospects involved it could make sense for them to eat money.

We absolutely cannot go into next year with Alfaro. We just cant.

As far as duvall, idk why I read his numbers wrong but I saw one of the last two years as a .600+ OPS instead of .800+ so I like it a little more. Dont love the lack of plate discipline and the low OBP but its better than I gave it credit for initially. Don't love it still but if the goal is to give the OF prospects more minor league seasoning after a lost year of in game development and they see a rebound from Dickerson, it's not bad at all.

The way those 3 veterans handle the OF to me is the key to our year. The SP will be solid, and the bullpen wont be terrible if they make one more addition, but those OF's will be the key. I could see any and all 3 of them with .800+ OPS or all 3 in the low .700's or worse. They will be the key.

Also, with Cooper, as much as I think his bat is really really good its been incredibly obvious that they have no trust in him to remain healthy. Mattingly even made relatively stunning comments to this effect last offseason. This move further exemplifies that. If they trade him instead of Aguilar i think that is as clear of an indication as any that that is still the case and they just have no trust in him to remain healthy for whatever reason.

[fish16]

Ruiz was my first thought as well. I wonder what we'd have to add to get him. With the glut of OF and SP prospects, and Miami clearly not having a problem trading prospects for prospects, it could be a match.

Id guess it would be a combo of Garrett/Rogers and then younger guys. Friedman and the former rays guys have always been spectacular at identifying lower level minors talent so I could see something like Cooper, rogers/garrett, and then 1-2 lower level minors guys they like for Ruiz and maybe a good young bullpen arm.

I've said it since the end of the year though, with Will Smith firmly implanted as a great young C and then Diego cartaya as a lower level C who is a top prospect, it just makes too much sense, especially with no DH now for at least this year. That's the type of smart move a team in the dodgers position makes and the type of trade a team in our position should be making in the middle/hopefully end of a rebuild. Strength for strength.

[fish16]

just as an FYI, looking back on a joe frisaro report from the JT realmuto trade discussions- keibert ruiz was part of the discussions if a dodgers deal was done. That was obviously part of the current regime so worth noting.


The #Marlins and #Dodgers remain in conversation about a trade for J.T. Realmuto, per
@JoeFrisaro
, and Keibert Ruiz is one of the names being discussed:

[Nick]

Cooper, Garrett and Connor Scott/Misner for Ruiz. get R done

[fish16]

Cooper, Garrett and Connor Scott/Misner for Ruiz. get R done

it seems like a lot to give up but honestly id be cool with it. id assume we would request some sort of flier bullpen arm but ya I'm cool with it. If Ruiz is as good as he seems that's more than fair.

Been saying it for months now that's the guy to go after. His surplus value (and i fucking hate surplus value cause its completely subjective) is off the charts. he has no MLb service time so you get 6 years of a potentially elite catcher with an elite bat and great plate discipline, which is worth giving up an OF (Conner Scott to me is the guy to go because he has potential, but we have better options. I'd be scared if they ask for Burdick. But Misner is a decent middle ground) and a lower level SP prospect or honestly, fuck it, even if its garrett or rogers. an elite catcher in a system filled with good SP's and a draft of literally 5-6 SP's last year is worth giving up a guy like rogers.

Do it and if he hits you don't give a fuck what misner or Scott becomes. That's the type of move we should be making. Deal from a strength and build an overall great team. We have other OF prospects that eventually will build a 3 OF great core, whoever that 3 OF core may be (Bleday, Burdick, Sanchez, Scott/Misner, lower level guys, etc). If you build a solid future OF AND get that catcher of the future, which in the organization is our only weakness, you have an organization with literally a theoretical answer at every position that will be ready within the next 2 years or so and a legit world series contender that is within team control without even adding any smart FA additions.

C- Ruiz
1b- Cooper/Aguilar, then Diaz when he is ready
2b- Diaz/Jazz, whichever seem to pan out
SS- Rojas/eventually Devers. Others are higher on devers than me but if he doesn't pan out, that's jazz's natural position
3b- Anderson
OF- Bleday, Sanchez, Burdick, Misner, Scott, without any additions of FA signings which in the OF are easy, especially the corner OF position
SP- Sixto, sandy, Pablo, eliser, Cabrera, Rogers, Garrett, Neidert, Meyer, and then lower level guys who we can evaluate this year.

That's a no brainer. None of them are without team control within the next couple years. That's how you build a consistent winner here.

[fish16]

steve cishek just signed with the astros with just an invite to ML camp. we need to be just adding guys like that. The guy has literally had 1.5 bad years in his entire career and even including that he has a career 2.78 ERA and 1.16 WHIP. With this depressed market, I just will never understand not supplementing an obviously good SP young core with a good bullpen that will allow you to either push them if they show out or give them a quality, contender level, bullpen group that will allow you to take it easy and not push them too hard if they struggle a few times through the lineup early on.

with the bullpen market the way it currently is, to me it is inexcusable to not surround them with a top-notch, 0 hole bullpen that can both give good/elite production but also allow the young guys to not be pushed past our comfort zone as an organization. It will allow us to let the young SP's take control but also not let a shitty bullpen be the reason we don't contend if they struggle the 2nd/3rd time through an order. If you have elite-level young talent, which we do, it is organizational malpractice to not give them a quality bullpen that will both allow us to still contend through growing pains but also complement a strength if they develop ahead of schedule. As a small market team it makes sense why we're not spending money, but if you make smart, lower level signings in a depressed reliever market, you can make this team a contender a year ahead of time with very little production ahead of schedule that was not projected.

[Maddawg]

I know it's beyond unimaginable, but who knows if both sides become completely stubborn and fail to make an agreement, would the blackout rules still apply to local TV here in So Florida ? Would we be shut out of all 162 games seeing them live ? What are the rules ?

[tjfla]

There has to be a trade coming. Mish says the Dodgers have called on Cooper.

Smart play would be a trade but we know the Marlins routine. They will likely DFA Sierra or Harold and then trade for a DSL prospect HAHAH

Cooper has more value than Aguilar which is why he is being mentioned. 4 teams(LAD/SD/TB/1 other AL team) have called on Cooper(SD would be my favorite especially since they been willing to overpay)

Name to watch is Monte Harrison,if a team is willing to trade a controllable RP for Monte he could be the OF dealt.

They would love a younger C in a deal but also looking for controllable ML RP which means Miami will probably DFA Cooper and then trade him to TB for 2 DSL prospects!!!

[tjfla]

Just so confusing!! They pass on LHB bats to add Duvall to this

RHB who could play RF
Duvall
Coop
Aguilar
Brinson
Marte
Berti
Harold
Monte
Jerar

Yes Duvall has most power and got him cheaper.

[Nick]

I don't think Aguilar could play RF, and it seems like the Organization did not feel comfortable with Cooper as an every day Outfielder, and I think I agree with them.