2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[lou]

I think I'd need the Yankees to eat a lot more than $35 million to think about taking Stanton back considering the injury issues he's had his whole career.

Rather just give Realmuto that money.

And that's fair, maybe you can get away with asking for more bucks. Realmuto is still a catcher and more of a risk than even Stanton (and ignoring he would have to want to come back here and will have other offers, and Marlins lose a pick).

I think with no NL DH, this isn't even a thought. But now that it is, it'll decrease hundreds and hundreds of games in the field off of a guy like Stanton. That's big. Just saying. I was thinking about this. It's an opportunity if the money is right. They have money to burn and Stanton is still awesome and should age relatively gracefully with the walks and power.

[lou]

A Stanton-like deal, though vastly less severe, would be to take on Will Meyer's contract from San Diego along with Mellow Luis Campusano. Campusano, one of the top young catching prospects, might have lost some allure to SD ownership after his recent felony arrest for marijuana possession (79 grams). Miami should have no problem with that.

To note, I wanted Wil Myers pre-2020. It'll cost more now.

Campusano is the same as Ruiz to me - those are the best two to try and get if you can. I agree there.

[Lee Stone]

I remember your plug for Meyers last offseason. Liked it a whole lot better than the concept of signing Castellanos! Not sure what Meyers and Campusano would cost in terms of Miami prospects, but I'd be willing to make Bleday part of it (Yes, I know that no one else would agree with that!)

[fish16]

i absolutely hate the concept of getting stanton back unless we are paying almost nothing. he's proven for 10 years he cant stay healthy. if we're gonna make a trade do it for a team controlled guy or just keep the current process and roll it over to next year with smart free agent additions for the bullpen and C

[tjfla]

Out of the box idea - trade back for Giancarlo Stanton (I am ignoring no trade issues which I think can be resolved). He is owed 7/$215 (ignoring deferred amounts Marlins owe in 26-27-28. Thanks Loria).

Yankees have Frazier-Hicks-Judge longterm, and a DH is a DH. Universal DH is coming to NL in a year or two so the Marlins can "hide" Stanton there in a few seasons or sooner.

I'd want the Yankees to kick in $30-35 million and Higashioka. Marlins to trade them back Cooper (for their own current DH purposes), Jesus Sanchez to help them longterm as he becomes expendable, and throw in another arm or two outside of Marlins top 15 prospects or even Alfaro or Yimi. They also have some good OF prospects (Floral, etc.) so the Yankees are fine there depth wise.

This then opens up money for what the Yankees should do - sign Realmuto. This also indirectly avoids Realmuto in Philly or NYM so that helps and the Marlins don't lose a draft pick.

This makes Stanton a $25/26 million a year player, and the Marlins OF/DH situation will have two club controlled players (Bleday, Harrison, Scott, Misner, Burdick, Jerar, Conine, Mesa, etc.) to flank for years so that number isn't crushing.

Longterm vision:

C - _______ / Higashioka (I think this blank line is trading Pablo or E. Cabrera for Ruiz(LAD) or another stud catcher prospect)
1B - Lewin
2B - Isan / Devers
SS - Jazz
3B - Anderson
LF - Bleday
CF - Harrison / Scott / Misner
RF (and DH) - Stanton, Jerar / Burdick / Conine

SP - Sixto, Sandy, Cabrera/Pablo, Garrett, Meyer
BP - Hernandez (still see him here longterm), Rogers (him too), Vesia, and needs a lot of help but that can be dealt with

Then draft mostly arms again in 21, sign Rizzo next offseason to bring him home, and pray someone can play CF.

Welcome back!! Waiting for a 2021 roster projection and salary

[tjfla]

To note, I wanted Wil Myers pre-2020. It'll cost more now.

Campusano is the same as Ruiz to me - those are the best two to try and get if you can. I agree there.

Campusano is in some legal trouble right now but ya. Something to watch is the 2021 draft is stacked with C prospects and we will have #16 and probably #35 picks. If u take a C he is likely 2 or 3 years away

College C
Del Castillo
Kam Guangorea
Hunter Goodman
CJ Rodriguez
Noah Cardenas
Henry Davis
Adam Hackenberg
4 or 5 others at FV35
5-10 others who were NOT picked in 2020 and went back to school

This is just the College guys. Likely another 5 HS C. Also Marlins FO are in love with Will Banfield(still likely just an MLB backup)they have been talking us his bat since Sept

This draft will be atleast 20 Rds,only have to pay guys a fraction of signing bonus still and Marlins have adopted the BPA who will sign idea so should be interesting to see what they do

Another nugget is dont forget u have the Rule 5 draft still. Miami has been looking at P and C. Not saying anything yet since we dont know the names protected(assume few teams try to sneak guys thru)but Toronto/KC/Texas/CWS have C we like. I could see us trade a Holloway/Dugger for a non Rule 5 SP to open a spot and then take someone in draft too

[tjfla]

Something Miami has been pushing for

Miami-Sal Perez/RP
KC-Young SP/ML OF/OF prospect and more(Alfaro?/more SP?)

Have had some discussions with KC on a package,just Perez and just RP

[Lee Stone]

This chatbait from baseball writer Joel Sherman, who proposes five conceptual deals for the Yankees:

4. Luke Voit and Miguel Andujar to the Marlins for Pablo Lopez.


Miami needs offense, but isn’t going to trade Sandy Alcantara or Sixto Sanchez. Lopez averages a strikeout per inning, keeps the ball on the ground and is not even arbitration eligible yet. If the Marlins make him available for bats, they will draw lots of action.

Which is why the Yanks would have to give up the 2020 home run champ (Voit) plus Andujar (one key question is whether Marlin executives Gary Denbo and Dan Greenlee have high regard for Andujar from their Yankee days).

This is an interesting proposal on a couple levels. Voit is obviously a big bat. He'll make about $5.3 million in 2021, his first go at arbitration. Just a couple years ago (pre injuries) Andujar was seen as one of brightest hitting prospects out there.

It's clearly far-fetched but raises an interesting thought. Am I the only Marlins fan who would rather have Pablo Lopez than Alcantara or Sixto Sanchez?

[fish16]

This chatbait from baseball writer Joel Sherman, who proposes five conceptual deals for the Yankees:

4. Luke Voit and Miguel Andujar to the Marlins for Pablo Lopez.


Miami needs offense, but isn’t going to trade Sandy Alcantara or Sixto Sanchez. Lopez averages a strikeout per inning, keeps the ball on the ground and is not even arbitration eligible yet. If the Marlins make him available for bats, they will draw lots of action.

Which is why the Yanks would have to give up the 2020 home run champ (Voit) plus Andujar (one key question is whether Marlin executives Gary Denbo and Dan Greenlee have high regard for Andujar from their Yankee days).

This is an interesting proposal on a couple levels. Voit is obviously a big bat. He'll make about $5.3 million in 2021, his first go at arbitration. Just a couple years ago (pre injuries) Andujar was seen as one of brightest hitting prospects out there.

It's clearly far-fetched but raises an interesting thought. Am I the only Marlins fan who would rather have Pablo Lopez than Alcantara or Sixto Sanchez?

yes, you are. while i like pablo and think he's a nice mid rotation guy he would be my first choice out of the 3 of them easily. he doesnt get deep into games and struggles mightily after the 2nd time through the lineup which limits his potential, plus he has had injury concerns.

[Lee Stone]

Yes because the Marlins aren't going to be successful in luring key free agents until they build a team. If not Stanton, they'll have to trade for someone else to be the first step in graduating to a real contender. There is definitely an opportunity to get the Yankees to pay for a chunk of his salary in a down-money year.

The catcher should be Ruiz and they should use Pablo/Cabrera to headline the package.

Saying you'd take Berti and Sierra over Starlin Marte also says it all. Seems like business as usual.

Berti .738 OPS last season. In a similar number of appearances for the Marlins, Marte was at .701. Marte was much better at Arizona, but there's some real doubt there - esp for $12.5 million. Dickerson put up a .713 OPS last season and was viewed as a flop for the money he was paid.

[fish16]

Marte was absolutely a difference maker. The numbers were whatever they were but his bat was for sure needed and made an impact. I think the way this ends up working out is we keep marte, deal dickerson for help at either RP or C, and then sign another cheaper stop gap OF option for cheaper than dickerson would have cost. Although if the money is fine, keeping him and just working through the surplus in OF is fine as well.

I think Bleday and Jesus Sancehz should start the year in the minors for several reasons, so having those 2 ML quality bats plus guys like Brinson, Monte, sierra, and maybe Cooper in a corner spot for the time being isnt bad. It at least prevents us from the possibility of having a complete hole or 2 in the OF like we did at points in the previous regime where a star gets hurt and you have a AA player as the only backup option.

I think that kind of depth really helps from the standpoint of not cratering when injuries inevitably happen (which happened several times with stanton) and it makes the young guys earn it. It may seem like a little thing but having the quality depth to survive major injuries is needed to compete on a yearly basis. The previous regime never understood that and its why we had teams that had a talent looking back that completely caved in when stanton or yelich went down. Some of the names we were throwing out there were just complete 0's

[fish16]

Something Miami has been pushing for

Miami-Sal Perez/RP
KC-Young SP/ML OF/OF prospect and more(Alfaro?/more SP?)

Have had some discussions with KC on a package,just Perez and just RP

The young SP should not be any of Sixto, Sandy, Pablo, Rogers, or Cabrera, and probably even elieser. IF they want to do a braxton garrett or lower minor guy that is one thing but with 1 year left id much rather either sign a C or find a cheaper trade alternative. Garrett and one of the lesser OF options like Conner Scott is a decent offer. I could be unreasonably low on garrett though and what we saw from him isnt an accurate indication. But unless something was wrong physically i just cant see him getting by with upper 80's super low 90s fastball.

Garrett, Connor scott for Perez and maybe a RP is fair.

BTW read yesterday that universal DH might be in 2021 after all so that would be super helpful for us

[Lee Stone]

Agree on leaving young pitching staff intact. No way is Miami dropping $14M on Perez for a year anyway.
Don't have any answers/solutions to catching problem. I would sign Tyler Heineman to a minor league contract to catch at AAA.

[fish16]

There are plenty of C options out there whether it is trade or FA. Wilson Ramos is a guy id be excited about if we can sign him to a 1-2 year deal and i cant imagine he breaks the bank. Seems to be a pretty healthy floor with him and some definite upside. 2 years 10-12 million and id be all for it.

[sports24/7]

I think my first priority at C would be taking a look at the young guys, a couple of whom have already been mentioned here. If the price is too high, then you can move on to a smaller move, or maybe take a look at a reclamation project like Gary Sanchez.

I also wonder if it would be worth looking at Francisco Mejia. His stock has fallen a lot, so you could probably get him relatively cheap. But he's still young enough that it isn't outside the realm of possibility that he could turn things around.