2009 Marlins Trade Deadline Discussion

[Metes]

I'm with Swift here. Piss or get off the pot.

[THE_REAL_MIBS]

I'm a little late to the party (stupid work) but I saw this on my phone earlier from Rosenthal.

Earlier Monday, Fanhouse.com reported that the Reds are in "serious discussions" with the Yankees about a trade involving Arroyo. One source with knowledge of the talks told FOXSports.com that nothing is imminent, although Arroyo is on the Yankees' list of potential pitching acquisitions.

The Yankees believe the amount of money remaining on his contract is prohibitive. Arroyo is due to earn $11 million next year, and the Reds currently hold a team option for 2011.

MLB trade deadline buzz: Monday's edition

That made me feel better because I don't want to pay Arroyo $11 million next year when he sucks.

Our starting pitching depth is a little thin right now so I'm no averse to obtaining a starter, just not Arroyo.

[nny]

Harang though would be all kinds of awesome

moving him from cinci to here would major drop his HRs and he has awesome k/bb

he wouldn't be an ace but he'd be a front line starter

if we really can get him for hermida and, I dunno, like one of our b- like Tucker/Coghlan/ect, with cinci eating, i dunno, half?....that's a bad deal for cinci though unless the really believe in hermida....that'd be all kinds of awesome for this year and next year
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I'm with Swift here. Piss or get off the pot.

I'm completely get off the pot. We still just have too many holes. Getting another starter and replacing bonifacio does not fix everything else and '11 and '12 are just too important to give up on
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I wish the organization would swallow their pride and bring back Hammer.

Is Adam Dunn on the market? Hes got a 2 year 20 million dollar contract. He strikes out a lot, but he hits home runs, drives in runs, and gets on base (.402 OBP this season).

Also, Bobby Abreu's 1 year 5 million dollar contract makes me sick to my stomach.

Dunn won't be traded, he's the only thing bringing fans to that stadium and their owner has basically said as much.

And yeah at abreu lol
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I remember when I told him he was gon be so great and then he was like, alright, well, spring trainings over, i gotta go to the minors

Is there seriously any player this FO has fucked up more with than Hammer?

Owns minor leagues since he's 23, does not become MLB regular until 27. His repeat of jupiter after he put up a .881 OPS IN FUCKING JUPITER is just laughbly dumb.

And while I still don't fault trading him instead of cody or hermida, fact remains we sold major low, got nothing, can well, now he's healthy and awesome like he was last year before he got injured.

[nny]

with garko being traded I have to wonder if there's any place for cantu now
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Barnes is probably what to expect for Cantu to. You hope for better but a ~B minus-ish spec is probably what we'd get. From looking around I actually kinda like him and, since imo we should get off the pot, wish we'd have done it if it was available to us.

[MiamiHomer]

Ross Gload never gave the trading deadline a thought when he woke up on the morning of July 31, 2000. He was oblivious to it. He was a minor-league player living on minor-league pay.

``I had bigger things on my mind than if I was going to be traded,'' said Gload, who was in the Marlins' minor-league system at the time. ``I was probably figuring out if I was going to eat Burger King or McDonald's that morning.''

Then the phone rang. The words on the other end said, ``We've traded you.''

Looking back on it nine years later, it's probably fair to say that the Marlins' deadline-day deal with the Chicago Cubs -- Gload and fellow minor-leaguer David Noyce for past-his-prime outfielder Henry Rodriguez -- isn't one that resonates today.

It lacked panache. It became just another, largely forgotten trade.

But as the clock winds toward Friday's

4 p.m. trade deadline -- the last time this season that teams can deal players without having to first clear them through waivers -- the Marlins are looking at potential impact trades, ones they hope can spark a late-season playoff run.

``We're looking for ways to improve ourselves right now,'' said Larry Beinfest, the Marlins' president of baseball operations. ``We are active.''

Beinfest said he is satisfied that the Marlins -- 6 ½ games out of first place in the National League East and 3 ½ games behind in the NL wild-card race entering Monday -- are in contention and trending upward.

The Marlins, who open a six-game homestand against the Atlanta Braves and Chicago Cubs on Tuesday night, are emerging from a successful trip in which they won five out of six games in San Diego and Los Angeles.

But it's uncertain at what positions the tight-lipped Beinfest would like to upgrade, or how he would go about doing it. Outside of shortstop Hanley Ramirez, there is room for improvement in almost every area. The Marlins could be looking at any combination of closers, starting pitchers or position players.

They don't want to part with top minor-league prospects, namely Mike Stanton and Logan Morrison, which suggests they are willing to entertain offers for ready-made players such as Dan Uggla and Jeremy Hermida, whose salaries will continue to escalate through the arbitration process.

MONEY FACTOR

``Every year we have to approach differently,'' Beinfest said. ``Money plays a factor. It always does. We have several very good young players in our minor leagues that are not far away from the major leagues. We have to take that into consideration. We have to look at if we're able to keep the players that you traded for. The amount of time that you can hold onto them matters.

``Every year we have to put all those things in the hopper, and if it makes sense you do it. And if it doesn't, you don't trade just to make a trade, because those things will come back to bite you.''

Since the ownership transfer to Jeffrey Loria in 2002, the Marlins front office has been active in past years heading into the deadline.

• They pulled off a three-team swap with Cincinnati and Montreal on July 11, 2002, unloading Cliff Floyd, Ryan Dempster and Claudio Vargas while acquiring Carl Pavano, Juan Encarnacion and Mike Mordecai, among others. Pavano, Encarnacion and Mordecai were all members of the 2003 team that won the World Series.

• They dealt future All-Star Adrian Gonzalez, a minor-leaguer at the time, for reliever Ugueth Urbina on July 11, 2003. Urbina became the team's closer. With a World Series ring to show for it, the Marlins do not regret the trade even though they paid a high price to get Urbina.

• Bidding to defend their title and make a second-half run in 2004, the Marlins on July 30 traded Brad Penny and Hee Seop Choi to the Dodgers for Paul Lo Duca, Guillermo Mota and Encarnacion. The Marlins failed to reach the playoffs.

• Needing a left-hander in their bullpen, the Marlins traded minor-league pitcher Gaby Hernandez to Seattle for veteran southpaw Arthur Rhodes.

• They made no July trades in 2006 and '07.

HARD TO COMPARE

``You have a different feel to every team,'' Beinfest said. ``This team is a little more inconsistent offensively, and we had a starter drought in the month of May. It's been a little bit more up and down. It doesn't mean that this team can't win. It's just hard to compare it to any other year. This isn't like '03. It's not like '04 when we did Lo Duca and Mota.''

Last year, the Marlins came close to acquiring Manny Ramirez from the Boston Red Sox in a three-way deal that would have sent Hermida to the Pittsburgh Pirates.

The deal collapsed within days of the deadline.

But somewhere, a phone will ring and a player will pick it up to discover he has been traded. Gload, after years winding his way from one organization to another, is back with the Marlins as a backup.

``Honestly, after the first trade, nothing really surprises me,'' Gload said. ``I've been traded three times now and all three of them were out of the blue. It's a a great job, but you can't choose where you want to play or how long you play there.''

Florida Marlins consider impact trades as deadline nears

[Party]

Cody Ross discussion has moved to a new thread.

[The_Godfather]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Go for broke, or don't do anything.

I would deal Cam, I would deal Stanton, I would deal West, I'd even deal Logan, just ravage our system if it means we get that elite starter to slot behind JJ and Nolasco and elite corner player to get that .299 OBP out of the lineup. We'd be so scary good it'd be worth it. We need to build up a winning goodwill heading into the stadium. Don't be stupid and deal Tucker for Arthur Rhodes (or his 2009 replacement).

Or, just say the hell with it, get whatever you can for Cantu and Uggla, move Coghlan to 2B, let Cam play the rest of '09 with the big club and prime Logan for a late August callup if Gaby can't handle 1B.

We either need to turn the roster over enough to get Cam, Logan and possibly Stanton some AB's or just fucking go for it.

That being said, I do hope we hang onto Hermida, I know it's been said about 458294 times, but he really looks like he's starting to get it, and that's exciting.

I agree to a point, but put me in the side category of thinking the player(s) available on the market are just not out there to put us over the hump (I think we need a premier bat, not Halladay), a player good enough to deal away a couple guys who project to be really good and really cheap for years to come in Morrison and Stanton.

I just don't think this team is 'one player away good' enough to deal away such value for the % chance of us actually winning a World Series.

Basically it's a risk I wouldn't want to take.

[Omar]

What I want to know is what happened to the Aubrey Huff rumblings? Is Baltimore being stubborn about price or something? He is kind of a perfect fit for us.
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Michael Hill on right now.....

Doesn't deny the Marlins are involved, talks about "any team wanting to have him in the rotation"
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Hill doesn't say we have a specific need/want
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"We're trying to add to this ball club."

[tjfla]

Baltimore wants Chris Coghlan is what I am hearing. No idea if just for Huff or others but they keep asking for him

[Omar]

(More from Hill)

Marlins don't react to other moves, they simply seek out to make the moves that are best for the clubs. "Can't get caught up in that stuff."

[Longview]

What a cop out..."50/50" chance we make a move.

[tjfla]

(More from Hill)

Marlins don't react to other moves, they simply seek out to make the moves that are best for the clubs. "Can't get caught up in that stuff."

In other words we are making deals for the future and if we keep winning now great

[FishFanInPA]

Give them Coghlan for Huff.

[Fishfan79]

Give them Coghlan for Huff.

is huffs 86 OPS+ really an upgrade for us?
Also sliding Cantu back over to 3rd base where his glove plays worse then at 1st base?

Or is it just a move you want to make a move? I know Huff had a nice year last year (135 ops+) but he has been a far different player this year.

[MiamiHomer]

What a cop out..."50/50" chance we make a move.

It's expected since it's not like he is going to discuss exactly what they are doing on television.