2009 Marlins Trade Deadline Discussion

[m26555]

Hammer's defense isn't nearly as bad as you are suggesting it is.

I don't see how a top pitching prospect is alot for what he's doing this season.

He's having a great season, but his injury history has to concern you a little bit. I don't want to deal a Sean West or Alex Sanabia for a guy who could miss 20 games with back problems. Plus, you really have to wonder how long Hammer can keep this up. Everyone knows he's not really a .300 hitter (not even remotely close, to be honest), so I have my doubts that the 1.009 OPS he has isn't going to drop considerably.

In a nutshell, I would prefer not to deal someone who is probably going to be a huge part of this rotation in the future for Josh Willingham.

[nny]

The question for hammer is power, his babip is barely above his norm, and both his walks and k's are basically inline.

right now though he has basically a 300 ISO after being basically 200 each year from 06 to 08

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I've thought he could be an 950 ops guy since 07 so I don't really think there will be much of a drop off. he was killing it like this last year until his back got hurt

[m26555]

The question for hammer is power, his babip is barely above his norm, and both his walks and k's are basically inline.

right now though he has basically a 300 ISO after being basically 200 each year from 06 to 08

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I've thought he could be an 950 ops guy since 07 so I don't really think there will be much of a drop off. he was killing it like this last year until his back got hurt

Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is ISO?

[tjfla]

He's having a great season, but his injury history has to concern you a little bit. I don't want to deal a Sean West or Alex Sanabia for a guy who could miss 20 games with back problems. Plus, you really have to wonder how long Hammer can keep this up. Everyone knows he's not really a .300 hitter (not even remotely close, to be honest), so I have my doubts that the 1.009 OPS he has isn't going to drop considerably.

In a nutshell, I would prefer not to deal someone who is probably going to be a huge part of this rotation in the future for Josh Willingham.

Agree if they want Sinkbeil or a AAA/AA RP and PJ Dean cool but that's about it.

Great season but his back is always gonna be an issue.

[Ramp]

Is DC considered a hitter's park?

And it's not like we need Hammer for the next few years. We need his back to stay healthy for the next 50 games. Maybe all the offseason stuff he did on his back is finally paying off and he's ok. Maybe

[tjfla]

Not saying anything however seems like Seattle are gonna be buyers- they just dealt Jack Wilson and Snell for Clement,Cedeno and prospects

Maybe they will revisit a Jeremy Hermida??

[nny]

Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is ISO?

isolated power. Slugging minus Batting Average. So takes out the singles in slugging percentage

100 = slap hitter
150 = average
200 = good
300 = top power hitters

I'd say Hammer could push 250.
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Is DC considered a hitter's park?

And it's not like we need Hammer for the next few years. We need his back to stay healthy for the next 50 games. Maybe all the offseason stuff he did on his back is finally paying off and he's ok. Maybe

rather sur eit's a pitchers park

[MiamiHomer]

Not saying anything however seems like Seattle are gonna be buyers- they just dealt Jack Wilson and Snell for Clement,Cedeno and prospects

Maybe they will revisit a Jeremy Hermida??

So your buddy hasn't heard any Marlins info today?

[tjfla]

Havent talked to him. Usually does not get alot of time this time of year. When I hear anything I will let u guys know. Just like last year when I told everyone about Manny

[wanks1212]

Agree if they want Sinkbeil or a AAA/AA RP and PJ Dean cool but that's about it.

Great season but his back is always gonna be an issue.

I would love to hear the phone conversation between Beinfest and any GM who was offered PJ Dean as the key to a trade package.

If Jim Bowden were still employed, maybe the Marlins could sneak PJ Dean by him. Maybe.

[nny]

We could say he's 33 years old and trade him to Sabean.

[m26555]

Not saying anything however seems like Seattle are gonna be buyers- they just dealt Jack Wilson and Snell for Clement,Cedeno and prospects

Maybe they will revisit a Jeremy Hermida??

Yeah but if they're buyers (and it appears they are), we probably won't get any ML talent back for Hermida. I'm guessing this takes Aardsma off our list of potential acquirees, too.

[Swifty]

With the Phillies getting Lee I think we're now three legitimate moves away from being better than them, and I hate the idea of being buyers on July 31 purely for the wild-card. Sell, sell, sell. Our priority for the rest of the year should be finding AB's for Cam, a legit audition for Gaby, and failing that some August-Sept. AB's for Logan.

[emkayseven]

Prior to the Dodgers series I would have agreed but at this point there's no way we can sell. We're two out after taking 2 of 3 from (and nearly sweeping) the best team in the league. We beat a team we were neck and neck with. We aren't going to catch Philly but every team in the race now has issues. I don't see how you can justify selling right now.

[m26555]

With the Phillies getting Lee I think we're now three legitimate moves away from being better than them, and I hate the idea of being buyers on July 31 purely for the wild-card. Sell, sell, sell. Our priority for the rest of the year should be finding AB's for Cam, a legit audition for Gaby, and failing that some August-Sept. AB's for Logan.

Sell, sell, sell when we're two games behind the WC leader? That's crazy.