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  • #76
    Originally posted by tjfla View Post
    The thinking has been get a stopgap CF in a trade or a young one in a major deal

    Quintin Berry has been mention if Infante goes to Detroit with Boner moving to 2B,our OF would then be LoMo,Berry,Stanton with Ruggiano as #4. Year or 2 down the line Yelich will be ready to play CF. Like lou said tho,while quick many people seem him as a LF with LoMo moving to 1B soon so???

    The best option might be trade Hanley OR Sanchez to Boston and try for Jackie Bradley Jr in the deal. While he is atleast a year away,its not like we are gonna be anything good if we blow up the team

    Our issue is we really don't have a CF in the system no matter
    The problem with taking the "year away" guy is, they need to keep pushing for now even if they are "sellers" to show how things are different in the new stadium. I don't think this is a rebuild, this is a reorganize resources and let it rip in 2013. The core is intact and going nowhere. Get another major bat to add to it, and bring in youth in pitching and pull an Oakland.

    Let's look at what a major CF does to 2013

    C John Buck $6,000,000
    1B Logan Morrison $515,000
    2B Emilio Bonifacio $2,750,000
    3B Hanley Ramirez $15,500,000
    SS Jose Reyes $10,000,000
    LF
    CF Upton/Bourn/Melky $12,000,000
    RF Mike Stanton $550,000
    B Gaby Sanchez $550,000 < - No Super2 if he stays down, probably worth keeping
    B Greg Dobbs $1,600,000
    B Brett Hayes $750,000
    B Justin Ruggiano $750,000
    B Solano/25th Man $515,000

    SP Josh Johnson $13,750,000
    SP Mark Buerhle $12,000,000
    SP Ricky Nolasco $11,500,000
    SP
    SP
    RP Heath Bell $10,000,000
    RP Steve Cishek $515,000
    RP Edward Mujica $2,000,000
    RP Ryan Webb $650,000
    RP Wade LeBlanc $550,000
    RP Mike Dunn $515,000
    RP Dan Jennings $515,000

    $103,475,000

    First things first, if they keep Nolasco that sucks, but they can get pitching options for Anibal, Infante, Choate, and C. Lee to help this depth chart, and then just find a minimum cost guy to platoon in LF with Ruggiano, and "Gaby" (Lomo shift). Not bad on paper even if the back of the rotation could be weaker. Could have some extra bucks to spend backloading "free agent" CF deal and ditching Mujica.

    If they somehow can get rid of Nolasco's 2013 salary, a few things happen.

    1 - Payroll is $91.5, and they legitimately have $8-10 million more to spend, to fill whatever hole is leftover. Get a platoon LF, a veteran starting pitcher, and anything else maybe a specialized bullpen reliever.
    2 - They will have received players back trading Anibal, Infante, Nolasco, Choate, and Carlos Lee that likely help fill out the pitching staff

    How amazing would it be to send Detroit Nolasco, Infante, and C. Lee and all of their 2012 salary ($5.5 mil roughly) above pro rated minimum so Detroit adds ZERO payroll this year and just deals with it next year (Detroit has $45 million coming off payroll next year, but in that money will be arbitration for Max, A. Jackson, Porcello, Fister, Avila, and Coke which is easily $20-22 of that. Basically, they can take the Nolasco hit, and still have some bucks to get some relievers and outfielders. V-Mart comes back for them, so they are going to be feeling great about that), and take back Turner and minor league relievers that don't really matter for now. Detroit's got to win now. Take advantage of that as they got problems when KC is rocking in 2 years and they know it. Then move Anibal/Choate for the best young pitching package available to whoever from Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers, etc lose the Garza/Dempster sweepstakes. Turner slots in to rotation now and longterm forms a potentially nasty 1-2 with Fernandez, and most of that cash could be used on a 1 year starting pitcher (Javy Vazquez? How cool would that be), and the parts received from Anibal battle Hand/Sanabia/LeBlanc for the 5 and back of pen.

    That is a good team, potentially great if Hanley, Reyes, and the kids turn out as we hope, it continues to show their "commitment" with the stadium with new free agent signings (and god willingly Stanton buyout) so the fan base won't feel jipped they tank August and September this year, and Yelich, Fernandez, Conley, C. James, Realmuto and I guess Ozuna, are all in Jacksonville to start the year or soon thereafter.

    I don't see negatives regardless if they are able to pull off getting a big young SP like Turner or not. Just get the payroll out of there, get the CF, and figure out the short term rotation then. Works on payroll, 2013 and longterm.

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    • #77
      Cespedes and his deal doesn't look to bad now does it

      Also don't count on Hanley on our 2013 roster yet,the team is said quietly trying to move him.However with his contract not alot of teams can afford him. We had talks with LAD but nothing happened

      If Detroit did take Nolasco we would probably get Casey Crosby and another pitching prospect back and not Turner.

      What I would do would try to trade Anibal and Lee to Boston/Nolasco and Infante to Detroit
      Last edited by tjfla; 07-21-2012, 05:37 PM.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by tjfla View Post
        Cespedes and his deal doesn't look to bad now does it
        This kind of not a smart way to look at things.
        poop

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        • #79
          Originally posted by lou View Post
          The core is intact and going nowhere. Get another major bat to add to it, and bring in youth in pitching and pull an Oakland.
          Didn't Oakland basically do the opposite of this?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Erick View Post
            Didn't Oakland basically do the opposite of this?
            Oakland went youth on pitching is what I meant

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            • #81
              Originally posted by tjfla View Post
              The thinking has been get a stopgap CF in a trade or a young one in a major deal

              Quintin Berry has been mention if Infante goes to Detroit with Boner moving to 2B,our OF would then be LoMo,Berry,Stanton with Ruggiano as #4. Year or 2 down the line Yelich will be ready to play CF. Like lou said tho,while quick many people seem him as a LF with LoMo moving to 1B soon so???

              The best option might be trade Hanley OR Sanchez to Boston and try for Jackie Bradley Jr in the deal. While he is atleast a year away,its not like we are gonna be anything good if we blow up the team

              Our issue is we really don't have a CF in the system no matter

              Bradley would be awesome. Look at his stats:

              In 99 games between LOW and Double-A, he's hitting .339 74 R, 36 doubles 4 triples and 68/65 BB/K ratio 21SB and a .449 OBP. Wow.
              LHP Chad James-Jupiter Hammerheads-

              5-15 3.80 ERA (27 starts) 149.1IP 173H 63ER 51BB 124K

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              • #82
                Boston is looking at JJ OR Anibal. According to ESPN they want a SP and both are at the top of the list

                Best Case?

                JJ-Boston (Barnes)
                Anibal-Detroit (Turner)
                Nolasco-LA (??) Got Lee but no chance for him
                Last edited by tjfla; 07-23-2012, 02:36 PM.

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                • #83
                  I wonder if we could get Jamie Moyer for Hanley ?

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                  • #84
                    If you're gonna make a stupid statement like this, at least have the guy with an organization.

                    Dumbass. Now I do want you banned.
                    LHP Chad James-Jupiter Hammerheads-

                    5-15 3.80 ERA (27 starts) 149.1IP 173H 63ER 51BB 124K

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                    • #85
                      I know he was waved. I'm wondering if we could get a waved guy for Hanloaf ?

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                      • #86
                        Dude seriously just stop. Like you don't realize how you are acting like a 12 year old girl who won't get noticed by the quarterback. Just stop. It's quite pathetic.
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                        And it's WAIVED. Idiot.
                        Last edited by Miamarlin21; 07-23-2012, 03:23 PM. Reason: Doublepost Merged
                        LHP Chad James-Jupiter Hammerheads-

                        5-15 3.80 ERA (27 starts) 149.1IP 173H 63ER 51BB 124K

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                        • #87
                          I'm not real smart but I do know Hanley should be sent packing.

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                          • #88
                            That's fine. But not for Moyer. That's a very stupid statement.

                            I could see Hanley to Oakland. I would rather keep him, though.

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                            • #89
                              Why do you want to keep him ? Seriously, you think he is going to snap out of his loafing ? Plus, he hasn't been good in years.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by tr305 View Post
                                Why do you want to keep him ? Seriously, you think he is going to snap out of his loafing ?
                                I think they're Is a good chance he does. Also, I would rather not trade him when his value is this low. We could get more if he gets hot these last two months and we trade him in the off season.

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