Selling Time: Marlins Trade Deadline Discussion

[lilchris11]

yeah the core of this team is falling apart slowly gaby sucks ramirez is bad lomo is an average player at best and johnson is a 3 or 4 type of starter

[Anonymous]

Fire sale is a little exaggerated, IMO. I don't think they should blow it up but should make some changes.

[Namaste]

So the difference between buying and selling = a win/loss tomorrow afternoon against the Cubs?

I think the 91 games played before tomorrow's are way more significant than the one that will be played tomorrow.

Erick, how long has it been since your hand felt a woman's breast?

[Erick]

The only player on this team that would be incredibly difficult to replace is Giancarlo Stanton.

I doubt anyone would care if any other player was traded at this point.

If anything, we have to keep some players at this point because their contracts are untradeable unless we're getting another contract back.

Whether it's underachievement, regression, etc. I don't think this team is a quick fix away from anything. It's mediocrity and they've been mediocre for years now.
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Erick, how long has it been since your hand felt a woman's breast?

Last night when your mom allowed me to do so.

[Anonymous]

Saw that response coming.

I don't think this team is that far away from playoff contention. I don't think quick fix is the right term. We need to make moves but nothing too drastic like a fire sale.

[tr305]

I said the same thing, tomorrow is the most important game of the season. We lose 2 or 3 to the Cubs and the towel is getting thrown in.
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Not too far away ??? What have you been watching ? They absolutely cannot hit and the bullpen is garbago.

[Erick]

Saw that response coming.

I don't think this team is that far away from playoff contention. I don't think quick fix is the right term. We need to make moves but nothing too drastic like a fire sale.

You could be right, but at some point it's time to admit that this core is just not going to get it done.

We say the same thing after every season now with this core of players.
"If JJ would've stayed healthy..." "If so and so hadn't underachieved..." "If everyone would've stayed healthy..."

A team with a -57 run differential is not close to anything. They're close to mediocrity. A lineup with little power, an average pitching staff, and a horrendous bullpen.
What are the positives to suggest that this team is close to anything, especially considering the division they're in?

[lou]

I am for Bourjous and the Angels need pitchers. I originally thought Oviedo for him, but that's not going to happen. Maybe Choate or Mujica? Trading the latter would hurt because he is not a free agent until next off-season, but it would fill a hole for the next five years. I'm sure we could sign a Hensley type to replace Mujica in the off-season.

I'm pretty sure Mujica wouldn't get that done. I think Choate might as they won't find a better reliever that cheap. Mujica is about one more blowup from a DFA so he's probably on way out regardless. Not striking anyone out doesn't fly in the Beinfest bullpen.

[Miamarlin21]

I didn't realize Mujica was doing that badly.

[lou]

This core has been together for years and they haven't done anything. I hope they have a firesale.

I wanna know how you expect to unload Nolasco's $11.5 and Buck's $6 mil next year. I can't see anyone taking on that. As I said elsewhere, they'd have to attach Hanley to Nolasco, and maybe say Anibal to Buck, so someone would go for the prime player and just take on the deadweight to go for it, ala Beckett/Lowell Cabrera/Willis. As for Bell, I'm not sure that is even plausible. That would be extremely difficult and calculated moves, because you'd have to do them all. You couldn't just do one and not the other, as that wouldn't clear the books.

They'd also kill the fan base, regardless if it's a smart baseball decision. I'm not even sure immediately reinvesting that into a BJ Upton, Shaun Marcum, Jake Westbrook, David Ross, and Johnny Gomes types in the offseason could fix the damage.

Point is, they really can't firesale. Move Infante and Choate and get a young CF and a projectable AA reliever? Huge win. Sign a 4th starter, veteran LF, and a veteran reliever in the offseason, and pray to god Hanley and Reyes revert to awesome, Stanton and Morrison keep improving, and everyone else chips in enough to be relevant. Not much else they can do realistically even if on paper, the "get every contract off the books besides Reyes and Buerhle" is the best financial plan.

[Miamarlin21]

I don't think anyone would take Buck ala Willis/Lowell. At least Dontrelle was somewhat good where as Buck is just flat-out horrible. Ricky, on the other hand, I think, could be traded if a team was desperate enough for a fourth starter. I just think we are gonna have to suck it up next year and keep Buck or take it in the ass and release him.
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Lou, you've probably stated your opinion on this recently, but if the starting pitching market dries up and we get two good players for Anibal, is that better than a compensation pick in your opinion? I wonder if the Marlins fear that if they offer him arbitration (which I think is $12.5 million) that he would accept it. You would think he would get about that much as a free agent, right?

[Namaste]

I don't think anyone would take Buck ala Willis/Lowell. At least Dontrelle was somewhat good where as Buck is just flat-out horrible. Ricky, on the other hand, I think, could be traded if a team was desperate enough for a fourth starter. I just think we are gonna have to suck it up next year and keep Buck or take it in the ass and release him.

Maybe I have THE thickest skull on the planet but how is Buck "flat out horrible"?

Because of his batting average?

[Miamarlin21]

I haven't watched enough to know, but judging from his reception on here. That's at least what I gather from it.
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But looking at his numbers, they are all career lows (minus OBP). He is on pace to have potentially a career high in walks, but that's really the only good thing.

[lou]

I think Anibal will easily find a 3-4 year deal. After Greinke and Hamels, he is arguably top SP left (Marcum, McCarthy would be in "tier 2" as well). Those later three should all get 3-4 year deals making $9-12 a season. I wouldn't fear he accepts arbitration. He will find more guaranteed money elsewhere, and with his arm history he will take it.

Not to be a jerk, but two good prospects would be better than 1 draft pick. It's hard to speculate without know the "who" involved, but Anibal could end up being a 2nd round pick if a team drafting top 10 hypothetically signs him. A lot of unknowns, and of course he needs to stay healthy. If the decision is made to "sell," they should really take the best offer. They'd get at least 1 good dude and 1 good RP prospect which is probably adequate compared to 'forfeiting' the pick.

I still don't think they do it for business reasons. Don't want to give impression to fans they are blowing it up. They'd have to be really really confident in LeBlanc, Sanabia and Hand to immediately come in and over 5 innings.

[Namaste]

I haven't watched enough to know, but judging from his reception on here. That's at least what I gather from it.
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But looking at his numbers, they are all career lows (minus OBP). He is on pace to have potentially a career high in walks, but that's really the only good thing.

Homes, he's having a career high in being un-fucking-lucky.

Why is it so hard for people (you and Swift) to digest this?