Marlins Acquire Carlos Lee for Matt Dominguez, Rob Rasmussen

[Bobbob1313]

I was quoting a movie.

[lou]

My issue with this trade Is it basically shows what the mind set of our FO is. They seem to believe we can still be contenders.

Well to play both sides, they will probably be 6-7 games out of the wild card at the all star break. That is higher than you would hope, but that is not insurmountable. In addition to Lee which is an upgrade to Gaby/Coghlan/Cousinsville, you also expect Hanley, Reyes, Morrison, and Buck to each produce 50-100 OPS points higher each in the second half, which is very reasonable based on all of their careers. You also expect the bullpen to not be so ridiculous, as Bell, Webb, Mujica, and Dunn are better than this. How much better, I don't know, but better. All of that in addition to Bonifacio, say another bat for CF and another reliever both acquired in the 'next' move, and that team could start beating people. It's a very manageable schedule the rest of the season, and it's not like Wash and NYM are built to hold up. I don't think it's summarily dismissible as "non contender." A lot of baseball left. Whose to say they don't have another May in August?

But at the same time, maybe the bats don't get better and this is the new norm for Hanley, Reyes isn't built for the home park, Morrison is the new Hermida, Buck continues to have a .208 BABIP, and the pen continues to be a major issue, thus making any short term move irrelevant to longterm asset preservation.

Main point, I don't think this is a knock on the FO until they trade a major asset (Fernandez, Yelich, lesser extent James, Conley or guys on the 25 man) to win now without a longterm implication. Trade all these secondary farm guys for upgrades now, doesn't change anything except maybe the cards fall your way second half.

[Anonymous]

That's my main worry. If they get desperate enough to consider trading Yelich/Fernandez as part of a win now trade.


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[MiamiHomer]

Which they won't.

[fauowls44]

That's my main worry. If they get desperate enough to consider trading Yelich/Fernandez as part of a win now trade.

Because the Marlins FO have always shown a willingness to deal top prospects for veterans? I guess they did trade Adrian Gonzalez almost a decade ago...

[lou]

That's my main worry. If they get desperate enough to consider trading Yelich/Fernandez as part of a win now trade.

If they do that I think there will be 100% unity on immediately killing the front office. But I really don't think they will do anything of the sorts.

I could see Conley as a centerpiece for Bourjos/Span. Which I am fine with as that is both a short and long term move, but can't see Yelich/Fernandez being included in anything as they don't only project to be awesome, they need them badly even if they just turn out to be ok.

[Anonymous]

Because the Marlins FO have always shown a willingness to deal top prospects for veterans? I guess they did trade Adrian Gonzalez almost a decade ago...

Well, they haven't done much in a scenario like that but things are different now.

Also, didn't they consider Stanton in a trade for Manny?


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[Bobbob1313]

Well, they haven't done much in a scenario like that but things are different now.

Also, didn't they consider Stanton in a trade for Manny?

Yeah, and they didn't do it.

[Valid]

I'm not really getting why people are upset over this deal. We traded two essential nobodies who will never have a role on this team for a guy who is going to improve the team this season, and Houston is eating his salary. What's the big deal? It's not like Dominguez is some great prospect anymore.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, and they didn't do it.

Well, yea. They considered it, though. I'm not saying they will trade them but next time they might pull the trigger.


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[Valid]

Also, for all the talk that this team "sucks" and has no shot at contending, they are still in the wild card race, and with the added wild card this year, why not make a move that could put the team in a better position to make the playoffs in a year where doing so would really, REALLY behoove this franchise more than ever before? There is plenty of baseball left to play.

[Mainge]

There are 9 teams in front of us

[Swifty]

I'm surprised you're cool with this move. Didn't you want this team to sell?

Yes, and still do. This trade is nothing. Dominguez is pure dog shit. Rasmussen, every system has 3 guys like him.

That the guys going out are considered by some to be "prospects" says more about our system (and, by extension, our FO) than anything else. I don't care about Carlos Lee, he doesn't push us over the hump, he's not holding down anyone's development. I don't care about Dominguez or Rasmussen. I really don't care about this trade. I think it's silly that we made it, and I think it's even sillier you care this much. We're better for it, we're still a crappy team.

[fauowls44]

Well, yea. They considered it, though. I'm not saying they will trade them but next time they might pull the trigger.

I'm sure they consider lots of things. The point is that they didn't make the trade, not that they considered it. Although if I remember correctly, they made it pretty clear at the time that Stanton was off limits.

[Chewford]

The fuck?