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  • #31
    Here was the conundrum facing Josh Johnson: Physically, he felt great even though his stat lines screamed lousy. Nothing hurt, but something wasn't quite right and precluding him from achieving free and easy.

    The tap. The tap!

    It's such a subtle part of his delivery that Johnson didn't even realize he'd abandoned it. Before he throws, Johnson taps the ball into his glove. For some inexplicable reason he stopped doing it.


    "It's frustrating because I didn't catch it before, but that's part of it," Johnson said. "Sometimes you miss some things and you have to work through some stuff and battle through it. The bullpen session [last week] was a lot better. Everything was just easier. Everything just happened instead of me forcing it to happen."

    Friday, Johnson was already on the field playing catch, reminding himself to get his hands started, when pitching coach Randy St. Claire approached him. He saw the same thing on video and pointed it out.

    Could it be that simple? Does the missing tap explain 0-2, an 8.38 ERA and less zip on the fastball? Johnson thinks so.

    "That had a lot to do with it, with not feeling quite there," Johnson said. "Everything feels good, but not quite there. The ball is just a hair up, maybe an inch or so. That's why balls are getting through instead of being a little bit softer groundballs.

    "I'm getting the groundballs I need. I'm not really getting ahead, but that was a big part of it. It's one of those things I don't realize that I do…I was taking the ball straight out of the glove and going straight from there, which is starting and stopping straight from nothing and going…It's been tough to get that rhythm. Hopefully that will kick start me."

    Through two outings Johnson has allowed a .488 batting average on balls in play. That's astronomically high and suggests plenty of bad luck. From 2009-'11, his BABIP was .290, .297 and .239, respectively, according to Fangraphs.

    Johnson was right in that he's generating enough grounders. His groundball rate is 51.2 percent. Last season it was 51.0 percent. One number that's eyebrow-raising is his line drive percentage. It's up to 36.6 percent compared to 14.8 percent in 2011 and 20.6 percent in 2010.

    Catcher John Buck isn't alarmed, saying: "He wasn't leaving his stuff up. He's wasn't hanging it. They just happen to hit it through the cracks. Nobody really put good swings on him. It was the last little oomph, 96 or 97 compared to 93. It is that little added bit to where the jam job maybe blows up the guy's bat or the slider has a little more bite to it.

    "There is that last little bit to come before he is the old Josh Johnson. I feel even now, not the first game but the second outing, he pitched good enough to win. He just didn't have luck on his side and we didn't put any runs up for him."

    Johnson expressed zero concern about sitting at 91-93 miles per hour with his fastball instead of his usual 94-96. Through two starts, Fangraphs has Johnson's average heater at 92.7 mph. Each of the last three seasons that figure registered between 94.0 and 94.9.

    "I think that timing [mechanism] had something to do with it," Johnson said. "I wasn't really unsure when I was pitching, but it didn't feel right, that feeling of everything working and in sync was just off."

    Added Buck: "The first thing you back off when things aren't there is your velocity because you'd rather locate. [Hitters] were able to fight and stay in the count more. It was there occasionally. It's sputtering to show up…He's too hard of a worker and too good. It's two games. When he's 15-2 in September we'll all laugh at this."
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/m...,7550074.story

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    • #32
      I'm nervous about tomorrow.

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      • #33
        Muscle memory is a very powerful thing.

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        • #34
          I absolutely buy it

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          • #35
            Weren't some people on here (Mainge) talking about how he kept the ball away from his glove throughout ST? I had noticed a difference from his delivery from the past but it has been so long since I had seen him pitch I wasn't sure if it was just because of that or he was doing something different. He keeps the ball apart from his glove the whole way through so I guess we'll find out if this tweak makes a difference.

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            • #36
              For the record, I meant that I completely buy discomfort with his delivery as a legitimate reason for a drop in velocity.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by MiamiHomer View Post
                Weren't some people on here (Mainge) talking about how he kept the ball away from his glove throughout ST? I had noticed a difference from his delivery from the past but it has been so long since I had seen him pitch I wasn't sure if it was just because of that or he was doing something different. He keeps the ball apart from his glove the whole way through so I guess we'll find out if this tweak makes a difference.
                Yeah Bobo and I were.

                Originally posted by Madman81 View Post
                For the record, I meant that I completely buy discomfort with his delivery as a legitimate reason for a drop in velocity.
                Sure. Have to be free and easy.

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                • #38
                  for what it's worth...

                  8.38 ERA
                  2.78 FIP
                  3.50 xFIP
                  .488 BABIP
                  Originally posted by Madman81
                  Most of the people in the world being dumb is not a requirement for you to be among their ranks.
                  Need help? Questions? Concerns? Want to chat? PM me!

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                  • #39
                    MIAMI The difference that enabled Josh Johnson to deliver his best performance so far this season was an inch or two.

                    Not in where his pitches were ending up but in where they were coming from.

                    Johnson, who will make his fifth start in quest of his first victory Sunday against Arizona, said a slight alteration in his delivery during a bullpen session before his most recent start made a big difference in his effectiveness. The tweak in his release enabled Johnson to get downward leverage on his pitches and use his height (6 feet 7) to his advantage against the hitters.

                    He responded by holding the Mets to one run and three hits in 6 2/3 innings while striking out a season-high nine and walking one.

                    “Good angle. I had a good downward plane on my ball,” he said. “Little things like that can make a big difference in the whole thing.”

                    Rather than a new breakthrough, the alteration was a return to the motion Johnson has used effectively in the past. He had been struggling to settling into the groove that made him special since coming back from missing the last 4 1/2 months of last season with shoulder inflammation.

                    Beginning this season his velocity was down and his pitches were coming in too flat. The result was an 0-2 start while giving up 10 and 11 hits in his first two starts, career highs.

                    Things began to turn before his third start when it was discovered on video that he wasn’t positioning his hands to being his delivery as he had in the past.

                    “We taked about the hands, then the downward angle. I told them, Once I get the hands the angle is going to come,” Johnson said. “I don’t know if velocity-wise I was throwing harder last game, but the ball was coming out a lot better.

                    “If you’ve ever tried to hit a guy who has got good angle. It’s not easy. The ball looks like it’s down, then all of a sudden it looks like it almost rises at the end. It’s difficult to hit.”

                    Johnson said that regaining his dominant form has been a process. Recent progress has given him confidence that he hopes to build on against the Diamondbacks.

                    “It’s just easier to control the ball. I know where it’s going. I’m actually throwing pitches I’m happy with,” he said. “There’s always something you need to work on, but it’s definitely getting there. Especially confidence-wise.

                    “It was nice to go out there for these guys and not give up 12 hits a game and make a game seem like it was five hours long.”

                    Johnson is facing Diamondbacks rookie Wade Miley, who earned another start after tossing six scoreless innings against the Phillies while filling in for injured Daniel Hudson. The Loranger, La., native has endeared himself to teammates with an off-kilter personality not uncommon with left-handers. That and a 2-0 record and 1.84 ERA.

                    Johnson is 3-1 in four career starts against Arizona. He won his last start against the Diamondbacks on May 18, 2010 at Sun Life Stadium. He shut them out for seven innings on two hits with nine strikeouts. That’s the sort of dominance he’s been aiming to regain.
                    Marlins ace Johnson gains leverage in pursuit of dominant form

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                    • #40
                      Well, at least he struck a bunch of guys out today.
                      poop

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                      • #41
                        My eyes tell me that the DBacks BABIP hovered around .400 today

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                        • #42
                          I'm fearing he's never going to get back to the guy that threw 95+ MPH fastballs.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Namaste View Post
                            My eyes tell me that the DBacks BABIP hovered around .400 today
                            Lot of singles, and while I only saw the first few innings, it seemed like plenty of them weren't particularly well struck. I'm less worried about him after this start than the first two.
                            poop

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                            • #44
                              Don't know where to find pitch by pitch breakdown or even just plain old fastball %, but the last few years when JJ was struggling within the start, he'd go to his change up a lot. Then he started mixing in that curveball to show lefties something new, then his arm blew up.

                              Didn't seem to me like tonight he was mixing in the change. The last few starts where he looked better it was the slider, but the Padres have a fair amount of lefties basically negating the slider for JJ tonight.

                              I'd like to see what getting him back to the change does. Fastball velocity sure was where he wanted it tonight. Maybe there's just so much damn rust and he's just worried about finishing a session pain free that he's really "forgotten how to pitch." I hope that's it and nothing more. He looks terrible.

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                              • #45
                                He had no control of the change up tonight. He used it early but wasn't anywhere near the plate. He had Heath Bell syndrome today. Only thing he got over the plate was his fastball and it was getting crushed.

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