The Ozzie Guillen Thread

[Bobbob1313]

I don't really care how much they pay him as long as they don't make a trade.

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I don't really care how much they pay him as long as they don't make a trade.

This, times 1 million.

No more talk of LoMo for Guillen.

I'd rather see us spend $4 million for Guillen than $500,000 for Bo Porter.

[emkayseven]

The best part of this thread is knowing CyggyMarlin found the board.

You should read the draft threads then, you'd have found out earlier

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By Doug Padilla
ESPNChicago.com
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CLEVELAND -- With 10 days remaining before he leaves on vacation for Spain, Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen reiterated his desire to be clued in about his future before he departs.

"I hope I do," Guillen said when asked if he would like to know from chairman Jerry Reinsdorf whether or not he will be around after 2012, when his current contract ends.

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"I know my switch will be off right away (when the season ends), because I don't want to spend time with my wife thinking about baseball and thinking about the future," Guillen said. "The future, only two Gods know: Jerry's God and the real God. They know if my future is here or somewhere else."

Guillen said on Aug. 31 that despite a disappointing season, he believes his nearly eight years as White Sox manager deserves some clarity on whether or not he will be back after 2012. Because he doesn't want to be a lame-duck manager, he said he won't come back next season if he doesn't get an extension.

When Guillen first said he needed to know his fate by the season's end it sounded like a firm deadline. But on Tuesday he seemed willing to work beyond that date.

"As soon as I go home I will leave (on vacation) but when I come back we'll talk about it," Guillen said about a next-best scenario if he doesn't have closure before his Spain trip.

Several key players, most notably Adam Dunn and Alex Rios, have had poor seasons. Guillen's decision to go with a six-man pitching rotation also has been questioned.

"At the end of the day, it doesn't matter," he said. "You had a losing season. That's all that matters. A lot of people have to look at themselves in the mirror from the top to the bottom to see if we did the right thing with this ballclub this year."

Guillen also reiterated that he is not above blame for what happened with a White Sox team that was supposed to challenge for a division title and headed into the second game of Tuesday's doubleheader five games under .500 (74-79).

"A lot of people suffered here from the top to the bottom," Guillen said. "(Did) we do the right thing with this ballclub this year? I can take the blame. I don't make excuse because they give me a good ballclub. Why we don't play well is people's opinion. We didn't play way we should and I take blame with that."

Doug Padilla covers the White Sox for ESPNChicago.com. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story...sox-future-now

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The Marlins will interview Nationals third-base coach Bo Porter for their managerial vacancy this offseason, according to Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post. Porter, 39, is considered a "rising star" among future managerial candidates, according to Kilgore, and could take over in Washington if Davey Johnson does not return as Nationals skipper in 2012.

Bo Porter would continue the legacy of coaches with little say in anything.

[Chewford]

Do not want!

[Bobbob1313]

I do not understand why anyone has ever had any opinion on Bo as a manager.

Unless you think we need to make a "big splash," or something.

[Madman81]

Or get an experienced manager

[THE_REAL_MIBS]

Bo Porter would continue the legacy of coaches with little say in anything.

Probably just interviewing him so we can say we interviewed a minority candidate. Bo doesn't fit the "experienced" manager qualification that the front office said we'll want.

[Madman81]

Because Ozzie is definitely not a minority

[Mainge]

[Todd]

Bo Porter might be the least horrible option.

[THE_REAL_MIBS]

Porter and Espada are getting interviewed on Monday.

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Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen met with team chairman Jerry Reinsdorf on Monday, and he said he left the meeting with "nothing."

Guillen's contract is set to expire after the 2012 season. About a month ago he said he wouldn't return for the final year of his contract unless he gets an extension.

"We talked about different things, my future here, how we're going to do it and what we think about the ballclub, what we want, and I left the meeting with nothing," Guillen said before Monday's game against the Toronto Blue Jays. "We have to wait.

"I showed him how I feel, the way I always do. He talked to me about how he feels about me, myself, my family, the team and the organization. But I left there -- I'm not going to say empty-handed -- because I left there with my ideas. I left there with what I want [to say], what I should do, and that's it."

Guillen said Sunday he would return if he got paid.

"Right now we have a couple of games to decide what's going on, but nothing was resolved," Guillen said Monday. "I told him I don't like to come here with the same contract I have for next year. I think I need a little bit more than that. Right now I hope we meet again before I go [on vacation to Spain on Friday]."

Guillen is believed to be in line to make around $2 million next season with the White Sox.

Guillen has said that he has always allowed the White Sox to fill in his salary, but he wants more say in the process this time.

ESPNChicago.com's Doug Padilla contributed to this report.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story...erry-reinsdorf

[MiamiHomer]

SBerthiaumeESPN Steve Berthiaume
Chicago Sun-Times reporting, #WhiteSox and #Marlins close to deal to allow @OzzieGuillen to manage Florida next season.

Come Tuesday morning, the silence on the South Side could be more deafening than golden.

Until then, Ozzie Guillen was going to spend his final days on the White Sox managerial post much like he came in to it – saying whatever he wants, wherever he wants, whenever he wants.

According to multiple sources, the Sox and Florida Marlins are in the final stages of completing a deal that would send the never-boring Guillen to South Beach, ending his eight-year stay with the club he grew up white as a player and helped guide to a World Series in 2005 as a second-year manager.

The end is expected to become at the conclusion of Monday night’s game against the Toronto Blue Jays at U.S. Cellular Field, sources said.

As far as the coaching staff, expect mass changes there, as well, all except pitching coach Don Cooper, who according to sources, already has a deal on the table to stay with the organization.

What Guillen would talk about on the record to reporters on Monday was that he indeed met with board chairman Jerry Reinsdorf earlier in the afternoon at the United Center, and “We talked about it for maybe 30, 35 minutes. I told Jerry to do this meeting back in Mexico because no matter where we do the meeting, people are going to talk and they’re going to put me in this situation we’re in right now. Yes we talked about it. We talked about different things, my future here, how we’re going to do it, what he thinks about the ballclub, what way we’re going. I left the meeting with nothing.’’

Guillen didn’t exactly slam the door on possibly returning for next season, but it was more bob and weave, almost leaving the ball back in Reinsdorf’s court.

“I just told him how I feel,’’ Guillen said. “I feel like I should be back here for more years. If not, well, you know how I feel. I don’t want to be here if that happens. That decision doesn’t have to be made. I’m still under the White Sox’ contract and we’ll see what happens.’’

Sources have indicated, however, that privately Guillen walked away from the meeting knowing his days with the Sox are over, and the talk was more about the details of the split. It was not heated, and if anything, emotional from both sides.

General manager Ken Williams was not involved, and considering Guillen and Williams have not had any real conversations over the last month, it was probably better that Williams wasn’t there.

As far as what Guillen was looking for from the Sox all along, he pulled no punches on that.

“F--- more years. I want more money,’’ Guillen said. “I don’t work here for years. No, I want more money. Years, what, I’m going to die poor with the White Sox? Hell, no. Listen this is my job. It’s the only thing I can do. I have to make money out of somewhere. I’m not a doctor or a lawyer, where you’ll have a job for the rest of your life.

“Life is about money. People don’t believe that. People are happy after they make money, f--- it.’’

The idea of going to Florida was asked of Guillen, and he pointed out that he’s never said that he wanted to be traded to Florida.

“You never hear me talk about that,’’ Guillen said. “You never did. Did I ever say I wanted the Marlins out of my mouth? No, that’s their problem. If they want me, they should. F--- it, I’m bad, I’m good at what I do. They should. Everybody can want me, but it’s one thing if they can get me. It’s not easy like, ‘OK I’m going to get you and you’re going to come here.’ No it’s a process.’’

Not when an organization has been working on it for as long as the Sox. The Sun-Times first reported last October that the two teams spoke about a deal for Guillen, after it was obvious that Guillen and Williams were heading for irreconcilable differences.

Those differences began in the offseason after the 2009 season, which was also first reported in the Sun-Times.

At the time of the talks with Florida, the Marlins didn’t feel like they needed to give up talent for Guillen, especially with a new ballpark under construction that wasn’t opening until 2012. Things have changed, obviously. Guillen and Williams have stayed politically correct in addressing the media about each the last few weeks, but more for Reinsdorf’s sake than the truth.

According to a source, Reinsdorf, however, has told Williams to stay low-key in the media and away from members of the staff.

“It’s probably better for Kenny’s health that he does that,’’ the source said.

And Marlins manager Jack McKeon announced on Monday that he would be retiring.

Guillen entered Monday night 677-617 (.523) and was the only Sox manager to lead the franchise to more than one division/league title.

But his body of work was for others to judge, not him.

“I’m not expecting to be with the White Sox for the rest of my life because we win the stinking World Series,’’ Guillen said. “The year after, I said that. If they don’t think I belong here, they’ve got all the right to move on. I’ve said that a lot of times. Not because I win the World Series, oh he’s here for life. I’ve seen a lot of managers win the World Series and get their ass kicked a year later.

“They should f------ fire me,’’ Guillen said. “Look at what I did. I got a great team that play like s---. Why not? I take the responsibility.’’

Have fun following up that act.

Ozzie Guillen out, managing last White Sox game tonight