Marlins Drop the Ball in 2-1 Loss to the Cubs

[TealMonster08]

Also, if we're doing this, Infante probably doesn't hit the ball into the gap as hard, so it would have rolled a little longer, so Byrd wouldn't have gotten to it as fast. If if if if if if.

Also, you need two runs there anyways. Yeah, getting the runner into scoring position is cool, but I don't know if it's worth risking a baserunner and an outt= to try to get there.

Agreed. Its ultimately a bad decision, and I think once you stumble around first you maybe hit the brakes. But alas, he tried to make a play and failed. It happens.

[Bobbob1313]

The miscommunication in the OF due to Infante's lack of understanding the English language, and not getting a single run in the first 8 innings because this offense still sucks post-John Mallee are the reasons for the loss.

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[Erick]

I take it Erick didn't watch the play.

I did.
It was a bang-bang play.

He stared at the ball a bit out of the box, but his speed got it to be a bang-bang play. Infante doesn't have Hanley's speed so assuming Infante hits the ball exactly the same way, I don't see that being a bang-bang play. Infante doesn't run the bases well. It's the reason why he needed a miracle slide in Washington to score a game-winning run on a 2B that should've clearly cleared the bases. The reason why he's a slap hitter who can't get an infield single at times when it seems like someone with speed would get there.

He's slow.
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It was a joke, stalker.

[MiamiHomer]

My comment was not about the Hanley Infante debate going on. It was to point out that there is a definite area that can be pointed out in terms of criticizing Hanley on that play.

[Beef]

Hanley would not have made that miracle slide. He would have seen he was going to be out and slid just as usual, like he did at 2nd base today.

[Bobbob1313]

The reason why he's a slap hitter who can't get an infield single at times when it seems like someone with speed would get there.

He has a higher IFH% than Bonifacio and Hanley this year.

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[Erick]

My comment was not about the Hanley Infante debate going on. It was to point out that there is a definite area that can be pointed out in terms of criticizing Hanley on that play.

Fair enough.

I personally like aggressive baserunning when it's not stupid. I don't consider it stupid when it's bang-bang.

Managers usually like their players to take the extra base and considering Hanley's run mattered a lot, I doubt McKeon will have a problem with that play.

[Bobbob1313]

That english comment was Erick, btw guys.
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Fair enough.

I personally like aggressive baserunning when it's not stupid. I don't consider it stupid when it's bang-bang.

Managers usually like their players to take the extra base and considering Hanley's run mattered a lot, I doubt McKeon will have a problem with that play.

When you don't get out of the box fast and you stumble around 1st, you take the blame for getting thrown out on the bang bang play. Doesn't necessarily mean it was stupid, but he made the wrong decision. 100%.

[Erick]

He has a higher IFH% than Bonifacio and Hanley this year.

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He doesn't hit as many groundballs.
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That english comment was Erick, btw guys.
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When you don't get out of the box fast and you stumble around 1st, you take the blame for getting thrown out on the bang bang play. Doesn't necessarily mean it was stupid, but he made the wrong decision. 100%.

I responded to your comment so I think it's obvious by now that it was my comment, captain obvious.

And it was stupid to you. Is there a rulebook out there to determine what's stupid and not stupid?
This is like saying Wise was stupid for going home after he stumbled around 3B with 0 outs last night/high probablity of scoring if he had stayed at 3B.

He was aggressive, and he failed. It happens. It was a bang-bang play.

[Bobbob1313]

He doesn't hit as many groundballs.

But it's a percentage...

[Erick]

But it's a percentage...

A percentage that probably means he's hit less routine groundball outs than Bonifacio and Hanley have.

It doesn't prove much.

[Bobbob1313]

This is like saying Wise was stupid for going home after he stumbled around 3B with 0 outs last night/high probablity of scoring if he had stayed at 3B.

But the ball got away from the catcher last night, so it's not the same at all...

[Beef]

Yeah, once Wise fell, he stopped running home.

[Erick]

But the ball got away from the catcher last night, so it's not the same at all...

I didn't really think it was all that clear-cut that he'd make it initially, to be honest.

And if it was clear-cut, then whatever. It was stupid of Dobbs not to go to 3B, then.

I just don't see the point in calling a bang-bang, aggressive play stupid. The time run in the 9th inning would've been in scoring position. I think it would've been stupid if it was 3-0 instead of 2-0, considering Hanley's run would've meant a lot less in the game situation.

Plus, I thought Hanley was safe after watching the replay. Although I'm sure someone got a snapshot of that to prove me wrong on that, perhaps. It was really close, though.

[Bobbob1313]

A percentage that probably means he's hit less routine groundball outs than Bonifacio and Hanley have.

It doesn't prove much.

It disproves what you said, which was that he would have beaten out more GBs if he wasn't him. He has a decent IFH%. Actually the best of all Marlin regulars. He also leads the Marlins in total IFHs, despite hitting fewer GBs than Bonifacio and Hanley.