Is Beinfest to Blame for Marlins' Skid?

[Todd]

Because Loria lets Beinfest spend pennies on the draft when every other team is spending dollars. Cant really blame Beinfest when he is forced to let high upside guys pass to other teams because they want $200K more than slot.

[Bobbob1313]

We should not focus on overall accomplishments; just one aspect, ignoring context.

[Erick]

Tampa Bay's GM did it, so can Beinfest.

Are you joking, again?

You're basically saying Beinfest is at fault because he's not the best GM in baseball. Once again, great logic.

[Todd]

For what he has to work with, he has done a nice job.

[Erick]

Because Loria lets Beinfest spend pennies on the draft when every other team is spending dollars. Cant really blame Beinfest when he is forced to let high upside guys pass to other teams because they want $200K more than slot.

This is like the movie Dumb & Dumber, only less funny.

[Todd]

Not sure whats dumb about it.

[Ramp]

2) I doubt Beinfest could have or would have put together all of that 2003 roster himself. He was given a great base that he had to supplement to get us over the top. The Pudge signings and Uggla signings are just pure luck and nothing else. No one expected Pudge to play that well, and Uggla would not have even gotten his chance except that Pokey Reese decided to go AWOL two days into training camp.

Being saddled with Preston Wilson's and Charles Johnson's contract wasn't exactly a fun thing. He had to work wonders for us to actually save money on that transaction.

IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD WAS THE PUDGE SIGNING LUCKY? FUCK, YOU MAKE MY HEAD HURT.

Take a look at his stats before you going off with your verbal diarrhea. You're out of your fucking mind. And because you are too fucking lazy to click the link, here's a screen cap:



Pudge actually took a step back from his prior seasons. So in reality, he actually took a step backwards. Same goes for Urbina. He had decent peripherals in 2003 before the trade, but was a very good reliever in 2001-2002.

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

[Todd]

You forgot Mike Hampton Ramp.

[emkayseven]

1) I had no expectations in 2006, and we actually overachieved every year.
2) I doubt Beinfest could have or would have put together all of that 2003 roster himself. He was given a great base that he had to supplement to get us over the top. The Pudge signings and Uggla signings are just pure luck and nothing else. No one expected Pudge to play that well, and Uggla would not have even gotten his chance except that Pokey Reese decided to go AWOL two days into training camp.

1) But you yourself said we overachieved in 2006.
2) a) To me it's almost more impressive to put together a winner with people you yourself didn't choose to have on the team
b) No one expected Pudge to play that well? He had a 3 year deal on the table from the Orioles. The concern was health over a full season, not production. He had a .900 OPS in 2002, .888 in 2001 and 1.042 in 2000.
c) But Uggla was scouted by and drafted by Beinfest and Co. He put up a 1.000 OPS in the fall league and yes, Reese was in the driver's seat, but he was the vet. Uggla was going to be on the roster regardless.
d) What about the Willis trade? Pavano? Stealing Redman who was one of our best pitchers? All the bench players and relievers that contributed in big ways?

[Ramp]

You forgot Mike Hampton Ramp.

I didn't forget anything

[Todd]

Except Mike Hampton.

[Ramp]

What the fuck is wrong with you? How did I forget Hampton? He never pitched with us and he was going to be moved the entire time. Shut up and stop being a fucktard.

[Todd]

The Fish still payed a large portion of his salary did they not?

[Ramp]

The Fish still payed a large portion of his salary did they not?

Ok? What are you getting at here?

[Todd]

That the Fish had Wilson, Johnson, and Hamptons contracts coming out even with none playing there.