Report: Marlins trade Cantu to Rangers for Evan Reed, Omar Poveda

[Flum]

Edit: fuck, everyone else already piled on. Carry on then.

For what it's worth, it was a really nice rant.

[Valid]

Run producer? What the hell is that? Someone who drives in RBIs? You realize that RBIs are largely due to one's position in the lineup, right?

And if you want to use the RISP thing and just ignore the sample size issues, among regulars Cantu's fifth in OPS with RISP, behind Cody, Uggla, Gaby, and Stanton (! 1.039 OPS with RISP OMGCLUTCH!) and 11 points ahead of Hanley. He's not one of the best guys on the team. He's average. With runners on, Cantu trails Hanley, Cody, Gaby, Helms, and Stanton. Wowzers, he's not the best again.

And for the "bat will wake up sooner or later" part, Cantu has a career .773 OPS (OPS+ of 100) over the first half and .772 OPS (OPS+ of, again, 100) over the second half. He's remarkably consistent, and remarkably average (OPS+ of 100 FTW), at the plate. FWIW, April is typically his best month (.868 OPS), and his performance usually is on a downward slope from there until, inexplicably, September.

Cantu has a .721 OPS. Even I, someone who's not particularly high on Mr. Morrison, will acknowledge that Logan's highly capable of putting up a .721 OPS and adequately replacing Cantu's bat in the lineup. I'd be shocked if he couldn't pull off at least that .721 OPS, and I'd peg Logan as being closer to the .750 mark that Cantu should be at, but isn't, because Cantu sucks right now.

And as far as replacing Cantu's defense, Cantu is currently the worst - worst - third baseman in the N.L. by UZR/150, and it's not even all that close. Cogs just has to be the worst third baseman in the NL to keep up the defense we've had at third base all season. If Cogs can be the worst, and he can, then the infield defense suffers no loss by shifting Cogs to 3B.

And as far as Logan replacing Cogs in LF and the defensive impact there, Cogs is rocking a sexy -8.8 UZR/150, which isn't as bad as my man Johnny Gomes but still puts him near the bottom of the NL. If Logan can be well below average in LF, but not a complete abortion, then the LF defense doesn't suffer either.

Point: Cogs shifting to 3B won't harm the infield defense unless Cogs is literally the worst 3B in baseball by a substantial margin, because that's what Cantu's been all year. Logan in LF won't harm the team defense unless he's even less athletic than imagined. And replacing Cantu with Logan in the lineup doesn't hurt unless Logan really falls on his face and can't put up a .721 OPS. .721. That's not asking alot.

Yes, I know that it has to do with positioning in the lineup. It also has to do with hitting in those spots. You said Cantu is "average" with RISP; then what does that make Ramirez who, for some reason, goes nearly unscathed in his consistent failures in those situations while Cantu gets ripped? I know this discussion is not about Hanley, but I just find that whole thing kind of funny.

Cantu is also not "remarkably consistent." His production has varied tremendously from month-to-month over the course of his career.

And I bet you would have thought Stanton would OPS .721 with no problem too, but he isn't; he's OPSing .715. Who is to say Morrison will do that so easily then?

Also, I know Cantu is no defensive wiz, but I just do not like the idea of moving Coghlan to third base period. That doesn't have anything to do with Cantu; I just don't think it would be a good move for Coghlan to put him there.

[Big Z]

Let's send Cantu packing tonight, hope Beinfest is working those phones hard. I'm still hoping for us to get some pitching help before Saturday via trade.

[Valid]

Again, I don't see what kind of pitching help to expect in return for Cantu, especially from a contender.

[Swifty]

I like Valid a lot, he's usually got a refreshing old school take on stuff and I like that, everyone doesn't need to read from the BP handbook. I cannot get behind any Cantu defense. He's awful, nothing redeeming whatsoever.

[Big Z]

Again, I don't see what kind of pitching help to expect in return for Cantu, especially from a contender.

Doesn't have to be for Cantu, could be in a seperate deal.

[nny]

And I bet you would have thought Stanton would OPS .721 with no problem too, but he isn't; he's OPSing .715.

I normally don't care to get into these kind of arguments so sorry for the post that adds nothing but: You're anal over six thousandths of a decimal point?

[Valid]

I normally don't care to get into these kind of arguments so sorry for the post that adds nothing but: You're anal over six thousandths of a decimal point?

Well, not really. I was just trying to make the point that you don't know what to expect from Morrison and that expecting him to improve the lineup is reaching.
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Doesn't have to be for Cantu, could be in a seperate deal.

Gotchya.

[nny]

You can "expect" performance out of prospects. And Stanton is performing basically exactly as was expected out of him.

[Valid]

You can "expect" performance out of prospects. And Stanton is performing basically exactly as was expected out of him.

He is?

And what would you expect from Morrison then?

[Beef]

I normally don't care to get into these kind of arguments so sorry for the post that adds nothing but: You're anal over six thousandths of a decimal point?

I don't think that was his point. His point was that .721 sucks and he is under .721.

[lou]

He is?

And what would you expect from Morrison then?

Daric Barton

[Jay]

Stanton was rush and could have used more time to refine pitch recognition in AAA. And when he will be consistently slugging around .500 it isn't hard to believe he will OPS high .700s. I believe June is a quick adjustment period and wasn't he in a slump when he got called up.

[nny]

He is?

And what would you expect from Morrison then?

Yes? The expectation was a .220-.230 average with a mid 700 OPS with a lot of power and a lot of strike outs. As has been said on here by multiple people, if he can manage to finish the year near an .800 OPS (and his #'s continue to tread upwards) it'd be considered a very good success.

As far as Logan, CHONE had him at a .753 OPS, ZIPS at a .754 OPS, so again, midish 700 OPS. For him it'd be lots of walks, lack of strike outs, averageish power, and if you're me good babip and if you're wanks average babip

[Valid]

Yes? The expectation was a .220-.230 average with a mid 700 OPS with a lot of power and a lot of strike outs. As has been said on here by multiple people, if he can manage to finish the year near an .800 OPS (and his #'s continue to tread upwards) it'd be considered a very good success.

As far as Logan, CHONE had him at a .753 OPS, ZIPS at a .754 OPS, so again, midish 700 OPS. For him it'd be lots of walks, lack of strike outs, averageish power, and if you're me good babip and if you're wanks average babip

.715 isn't "mid-OPS." That's more like .750.