8/8 - 8/14 Minor League Game Thread

[lou]

If it were me 2020 would be.

AAA (*major assumption* Brinson is traded)
OF - Dean/Miller/Sanchez (Sierra and Harrison-MLB)
1B - Diaz

AA
OF - Encarnacion/Scott/Bleday
1B - Alonso

Hi-A
OF - Burdick/Misner/Jones/Pompey (DH in play, so all 4 can play every day)
1B - Edwards

Lo-A
OF - Bradshaw/Orr/Osiris/Smith
1B - Reynolds/Infante

Just to note, you keep Monte in AAA until mid-June 2020 to avoid Super 2 status.

I think you're being overly aggressive with Scott and Bleday too, but we'll see how they end the year. They really need to set the world on fire to jump to AA (largest competition jump in professional baseball is A+ to AA).

[Lee Stone]

Don't think developing pitching has a clear cut pecking order after Cabrera and Sanchez. Guzman has implemented a delivery change that is making a difference. Castano's improvement is obvious and I'll be interested to see how he maintains it this month. Neidert is trying to put it all together. Rogers and Garrett have shown inconsistency lately. Mejia is a wildcard. Cabrera and Sanchez should prove to be serviceable ML starters at the least. All the rest are up in the air in my eyes.

[tjfla]

If it were me 2020 would be.

AAA (*major assumption* Brinson is traded)
OF - Dean/Miller/Sanchez (Sierra and Harrison-MLB)
1B - Diaz

AA
OF - Encarnacion/Scott/Bleday
1B - Alonso

Hi-A
OF - Burdick/Misner/Jones/Pompey (DH in play, so all 4 can play every day)
1B - Edwards

Lo-A
OF - Bradshaw/Orr/Osiris/Smith
1B - Reynolds/Infante

Scott starts in Jupiter and VV in Jax

Still think either Orr,Smith or Hampton gets pushed up to Jupiter

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Just to note, you keep Monte in AAA until mid-June 2020 to avoid Super 2 status.

I think you're being overly aggressive with Scott and Bleday too, but we'll see how they end the year. They really need to set the world on fire to jump to AA (largest competition jump in professional baseball is A+ to AA).

Ya Monte like Jazz/Lewin/Jesus probably stay down to June or July

Bleday gets Jax because of tons of guys in Jupiter already. If he bombs send him down and call up a Burdick

[Nick]

Just to note, you keep Monte in AAA until mid-June 2020 to avoid Super 2 status.

I think you're being overly aggressive with Scott and Bleday too, but we'll see how they end the year. They really need to set the world on fire to jump to AA (largest competition jump in professional baseball is A+ to AA).

I'll just be happy if Monte works out, if they're worried about Super 2 status fine, I am not. You can't dictate every move you make by Super 2 status, not fair to the guys, not fair to your major league club, not a good way to run an organization. Keep it in mind, sure, but you can't be a slave to it. Like I've said before MLB needs to get rid of this nonsense.

As far as Scott goes, I kinda agree with you, I even said recently I thought they were a little quick getting him up to Jupiter, obviously he's proved me wrong. I'll tell you why if he keeps hitting at Jupiter for the next 3 weeks he should be moved up. I don't think Misner and Scott should be at the same level at the same time. They both need to be playing every day in CF, and Misner needs to be starting in Jupiter next year. Our CF situation is still very much up in the air and by 2021 these guys could both be legit options out there. VVM is not a factor in my eyes, he, even though he's ahead of them at AA, is clearly behind both Misner and Scott as far as development, hasn't even shown a pulse this year. Start him out at extended spring training, get someone working with him every day to see if you can salvage something, but he should not be impeding the development of Misner and Scott.

[lou]

I'll just be happy if Monte works out, if they're worried about Super 2 status fine, I am not. You can't dictate every move you make by Super 2 status, not fair to the guys, not fair to your major league club, not a good way to run an organization. Keep it in mind, sure, but you can't be a slave to it. Like I've said before MLB needs to get rid of this nonsense.

As far as Scott goes, I kinda agree with you, I even said recently I thought they were a little quick getting him up to Jupiter, obviously he's proved me wrong. I'll tell you why if he keeps hitting at Jupiter for the next 3 weeks he should be moved up. I don't think Misner and Scott should be at the same level at the same time. They both need to be playing every day in CF, and Misner needs to be starting in Jupiter next year. Our CF situation is still very much up in the air and by 2021 these guys could both be legit options out there. VVM is not a factor in my eyes, he, even though he's ahead of them at AA, is clearly behind both Misner and Scott as far as development, hasn't even shown a pulse this year. Start him out at extended spring training, get someone working with him every day to see if you can salvage something, but he should not be impeding the development of Misner and Scott.

Well, if Monte goes to the AFL and is a world beater, and destroys spring training, I can accept calling him up 171 days until the end of the 2020 season and Kris Bryant/Ronald Acuna him. Take the super 2 status, but get basically 7 full seasons club controlled. They just can't blow a whole year. Like they did with Fernandez as if he didn't die, the payroll either/or would be horrendous and it would have cost them something like $20+ million for 3-4 years for not waiting to call him up for 2 weeks. 2 weeks! Literally that crazy. I see little harm in calling guys up in June. If the Astros can do it with Y. Alvarez, the Marlins can do it.

I agree completely this system should be overhauled in the next CBA though, but I suspect new guys will be subject to new terms and everyone else grandfathered into old system so they have to play the game until it changes.

Either way, I think all the roster spots will shake themselves out appropriately. I'm not worried about blocking anyone. Bleday, Monte, Sanchez, Scott, VVM, Misner, and to a lesser extent Miller, Pompey, Burdick, and Jones, will take priorities and if someone is blocked somewhere, too bad. They can survive at a lower level for 3 months. They all have plenty of control and no one's development will hurt.

[Lee Stone]

I don't think Burdick is a "to a lesser extent" guy compared to any of the OF'ers listed ... just sayin'.

[Nick]

I don't think Burdick is a "to a lesser extent" guy compared to any of the OF'ers listed ... just sayin'.

Definitely to a lesser extent to the guys lou mentioned except VVM, I'd replace VVM with Burdick.

[lou]

I don't think Burdick is a "to a lesser extent" guy compared to any of the OF'ers listed ... just sayin'.

Non-top prospect 22 year olds with a .380 BABIP in low A don't really do it for me. He's obviously having a phenomenal start, but he has a long way to go to get to Brian Miller let alone the rest.

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Also looking up Burdick, I noticed some things on Fangraphs:

Jesus Sanchez - UPGRADED to FV55
Jerar - UPGRADED to FV40
Nelson - DOWNGRADED to FV35+
B. Encarnacion - UPGRADED to FV35+ (https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa3009205&position=P) - I have no idea who this is
Mokma - UPGRADED to FV35+

A very nice Sanchez upgrade and glad to see 3 fringe prospects getting a little love

No idea why Palacios is nowhere.

[Nick]

Non-top prospect 22 year olds with a .380 BABIP in low A don't really do it for me. He's obviously having a phenomenal start, but he has a long way to go to get to Brian Miller let alone the rest.

Oh man, I could not disagree with this more. What is Brian Miller good at? No power. (Miller 2 HRs in 1100 ABs, Burdick 9 HRs in 200 ABs) Not particularly good at getting on base. (Burdick .400 OBP right now, which Miller's never done. Not a good base-stealer. Burdick's done what he's doing now at college, he's done it in the Summer League, he's a guy to watch, for sure.

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Still flummoxed by Sixto being downgraded to 55. You could easily argue he's having the best year he's had so far in the minors.

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No Humberto Mejia either. We know at least some people are very high on him scouting wise, to go along with his ridiculous numbers this year.

[fish16]

sanchez was downgraded solely due to injury concerns, which i think are warranted. i hope im wrong,but he seems like 1 TJ surgery waiting to happen at some point in his career.

Burdick is better than miller though. Miller has 0 power. I like Sierra more than miller. I'd like to see sierra get a call up here before the end of the year.

[Nick]

sanchez was downgraded solely due to injury concerns, which i think are warranted. i hope im wrong,but he seems like 1 TJ surgery waiting to happen at some point in his career.

Burdick is better than miller though. Miller has 0 power. I like Sierra more than miller. I'd like to see sierra get a call up here before the end of the year.

It was definitely warranted after 2018, but this year (knock on wood) he's been completely healthy, weird to penalize him for that now.

[fish16]

It was definitely warranted after 2018, but this year (knock on wood) he's been completely healthy, weird to penalize him for that now.

that's fair. But maybe they are just trying to see him complete the year healthy. Ultimately, it seems like every single person in the scouting community acknowledges he is an ace in the making, just with injury concerns. Health is his only possible impediment to becoming an ace type pitcher. Every time i look at his MILB page it always kinda surprises me just how young he really is.

[geemoney]

Marlins minors transactions, July 23-August 5:

-SIGNED: LHP Jordan Guerrero. A 15th round pick of the White Sox in 2012, Guerrero carried a 7.27 ERA over 73 innings in AAA this year before being released. He's in Jacksonville right now and has not given up an earned run there in seven innings.
-SIGNED: RHP Brian McKenna. The 26 year-old came from the Independent Leagues, where he started in 2017. This year with Florence of the Frontier League, McKenna had a 3.63 ERA in 22.1 innings, zero walks and 34 strikeouts. He's with Jupiter right now.

-RELEASED: LHP Jeff Kinley. A 28th round pick in 2015, Kinley pitched well in Jacksonville this year to the tune of a 2.93 ERA in 30.2 innings, with 42 strikeouts, but in New Orleans, had an 11.48 ERA in eight outings.

[geemoney]

8/13

AAA New Orleans: W, 10-4

Sierra: 2-5, 2 R, 3B, 2 RBI, K, SB
E.Alvarez: 2-4, R, 2B, 2 RBI, K
O'Brien: 1-3, 2 R, HR (17), 2 RBI, BB
W.Castillo: 2-4, R, 2B, RBI, K, SB
G.Guerrero: 2-3, R, RBI, BB
Millan: 1-2, 2B, RBI
Gunkel: W, 6 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 5 K
R.Alvarez: 1 IP, 3 K

AA Jacksonville: L, 6-1

Mesa: 2-5, K
Chisholm: 2-4, R, K
Miller: 1-4, 2B
S.Garrett: 1-2, 2B, 2 BB
Mahoney: L, 6 IP, 7 H, 6 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 1 HRA
Roeder: 2 IP, 1 H, 2 BB, 3 K

A+ Jupiter: Game Postponed

A Clinton: Idle

A- Batavia: Game Postponed

GCL Marlins: L, 9-3

N.Nunez: 1-4, R, BB, K
Mesa Jr.: 3-5, R, 2B, RBI
Owings: 2-4, 2 RBI, K, SB
Fish: 1-3, BB, K
De Los Santos: L, 4 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 HRA
L.Martinez: 1.1 IP, 2 H, 4 ER, 4 BB, 1 K, 1 HRA

DSL Marlins: W, 5-3

De Leon: 0-3, R, RBI, BB
Roman: 2-4, R, HR (1), 4 RBI, K
Campos: 2-4, K
Melenciano: 1-3, R
M.Leon: 3 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 5 K
Quinonez: W, 4 IP, 3 H, 3 K
L.Gonzalez: SV, 1 IP, 2 BB, 2 K

[fish16]

Am i the only one who still thinks Sierra can become a decent MLB player long term? I could see him playing a decent starting role as a speed guy with great d similar to jarrod dyson still. He's been fairly decent this year and he's still just 23. I dont think it will be here that he ends up finding a role long term but i see him as a long term mlb player.