7/25 - 7/31 Minor League Game Thread

[geemoney]

7/25

AAA New Orleans: L, 3-1

Berti: 2-3
I.Diaz: 1-4, K
E.Alvarez: 2-3, 2B, RBI, BB
Heineman: 1-4, 2B
Poteet: 7.1 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
R.Alvarez: L, .2 IP, 1 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 HRA

AA Jacksonville: L, 6-1 (Game One)

Brigman: 1-3, 3B
Alonso: 0-3, 2 K
Bird: 1-2, R, SB
Seymour: 1-3, RBI, SB
E.Cabrera: L, 4 IP, 2 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 1 HRA
J.Kinley: 1 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1 HRA

AA Jacksonville: W, 3-1 (Game Two - Makeup of 7/24 Postponement)

Dunand: 0-1, R, 2 BB
Millan: 1-2, R, BB, K
S.Garrett: 1-3, R, RBI, K
Seymour: 2-3, 2 RBI, CS
Mahoney: W, 6 IP, 2 H, 5 BB, 8 K
Stevens: SV, 1 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 HRA

A+ Jupiter: Game Postponed

A Clinton: L, 4-2

Torres: 1-3, R, BB (committed his 32nd error)
C.Scott: 1-4, R, 2B, RBI, K
Burdick: 1-4, RBI, K
Osborne: 1-3, 2B
A.Guerrero: L, 3.2 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 1 K
Wolf: 2 IP, 2 K

A- Batavia: L, 4-3

Orr: 1-2, R, 3 BB, K, SB
Ready: 1-5, R, 2B, RBI, 4 K
M.Smith: 2-4, R, RBI
Turner: 2-4, K
Frias: 6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 6 K
Brabrand: L, .1 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 2 BB

GCL Marlins: Idle

DSL Marlins: L, 7-5

Cr.Rodriguez: 2-4, 2 R, BB
Machado: 2-5, R, RBI, K, SB
De Leon: 1-3, RBI, 2 BB
Roman: 1-3, RBI, K
Melenciano: 1-2, 2 R, BB
M.Leon: 3.2 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 6 K
Tejeda: L, .2 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 0 K

[Nick]

might be too early to make this comparison but JD Orr reminds me of an old prospect we used to have named Brent Keys. I believe he won either the FSL or Southern league batting title then flamed out. JD Orr needs to hit for some power before he is treated as a legit prospect moving forward.

Copied from another thread. You're right it's way too early to make that comparison. I will say, a guy who puts up a good average, great OBP and steals a lot of bases still has a place in the majors. Now, Orr is doing what he's doing at Short-Season Ball so you have to take it with a grain of salt, but still an OBP over .500 is impressive anywhere you do it.

I'll take a Luis Castillo on my team any day.

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Cody Poteet has fared much better than Dugger so far at AAA.

[geemoney]

The Marlins continue to cycle out players in the organization to make room for draftees. Among the recent releases:

-RHP Bryce Howe, an 18th round draft pick in 2017, he threw five games for Clinton and Batavia this year after compiling a 2.66 ERA in 29 games in Batavia and Greensboro last season.
-SS Gerardo Nunez, signed out of the Dominican in 2015, he hit just .135 in 96 at-bats with Batavia last year, then followed it up by hitting .035 in 32 at-bats with them this year.
-RHP Jeremy Ovalle, another Dominican player, signed way back in 2013 as a 16-year old. He made it no higher than Single-A and has never pitched more than 19 games in a season. He had 13 strikeouts in seven innings across two levels this year.
-OF Angel Reyes, signed in 2012 from Venezuela, another 16 year-old signee. He reached A+ Jupiter this year and in 2017 (he did not play in 2018). He hit just .243 in 115 at-bats this season with the Hammerheads.

[Lee Stone]

Copied from another thread. You're right it's way too early to make that comparison. I will say, a guy who puts up a good average, great OBP and steals a lot of bases still has a place in the majors. Now, Orr is doing what he's doing at Short-Season Ball so you have to take it with a grain of salt, but still an OBP over .500 is impressive anywhere you do it.

I'll take a Luis Castillo on my team any day.

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Cody Poteet has fared much better than Dugger so far at AAA.

Hope it doesn't hurt your feelings to know I am somewhat fascinated by JD ORR also. At his current rate, he will steal more bases than the entire Marlins team this season. With 20 SB in only 31 games since being drafted, he trails the ML team by only 8. Also, despite only four extra base hits (no homers), Orr leads Batavia with a .935 OPS.

[Nick]

Hope it doesn't hurt your feelings to know I am somewhat fascinated by JD ORR also. At his current rate, he will steal more bases than the entire Marlins team this season. With 20 SB in only 31 games since being drafted, he trails the ML team by only 8. Also, despite only four extra base hits (no homers), Orr leads Batavia with a .935 OPS.

I'm fascinated by his numbers. Now like I said, he needs to do it at a level higher than Short-Season ball to even get prospect consideration, that's why I'd like to see him in Clinton, but it'll be interesting to see how those stats translate as he moves through the system.

[fish16]

Copied from another thread. You're right it's way too early to make that comparison. I will say, a guy who puts up a good average, great OBP and steals a lot of bases still has a place in the majors. Now, Orr is doing what he's doing at Short-Season Ball so you have to take it with a grain of salt, but still an OBP over .500 is impressive anywhere you do it.

I'll take a Luis Castillo on my team any day.

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Cody Poteet has fared much better than Dugger so far at AAA.

My point was that i highly doubt he will continue to put up productive numbers when he isnt facing guys 3 years younger than him. I say this because as impressive as he has been, he only has 4 extra base hits total. When he gets to the upper levels and faces more advanced pitching his numbers have the potential to crater or at most be a guy like brian miller who, while he looks like a possible 4th OF type guy, isnt a major league starter. thats obviouly based on just his 96 ab's, but his college stats tell a similar story. Maybe he can just be a slap singles hitter who can hit for average and get on base at a solid clip no matter how advanced the pitching, but im extremely hesitant to think that will be the case.

He also had only 54 XBH's his entire college career in 850 college ab's. Just something to monitor moving forward with him in terms of evaluating his major league potential.

[fish16]

this is an incredibly minor thing to complain about but who the hell comes up with the decisions to start some of the hammerhead games at 6 pm in the summer in florida? Not only is it oppresively hot but that's also prime time for the afternoon thunderstorms that are an almost daily occurence. If anything they should be starting their games at 730 rather than 7:05 to try to avoid as much of the day time sun as possible as well as to avoid the timing of the afternoon rain.

[Nick]

My point was that i highly doubt he will continue to put up productive numbers when he isnt facing guys 3 years younger than him. I say this because as impressive as he has been, he only has 4 extra base hits total. When he gets to the upper levels and faces more advanced pitching his numbers have the potential to crater or at most be a guy like brian miller who, while he looks like a possible 4th OF type guy, isnt a major league starter. thats obviouly based on just his 96 ab's, but his college stats tell a similar story. Maybe he can just be a slap singles hitter who can hit for average and get on base at a solid clip no matter how advanced the pitching, but im extremely hesitant to think that will be the case.

He also had only 54 XBH's his entire college career in 850 college ab's. Just something to monitor moving forward with him in terms of evaluating his major league potential.

I agree, but the thing that could make up for that is an elite approach at the plate. With Sierra his OBP has been about .40-45 points higher than his, he has to hit above .300 for him to be any sort of effective hitter at the plate, and he hasn't consistently done that. Brian Miller's OBP has been about 55-65 points higher than his BA, which is better, but still projecting him, you're probably not going to get much more than about a replacement level bat if he hangs around a .275-.295 hitter that he's been in the minors.

Right now Orr has a .375 BA at Batavia, with a .508 OBP, his OBP 133 points higher. As he progresses in the minors that is going to decrease as he'll be facing pitchers with better command. Still that's 133 points double what Miller's typically has been. So let's say he levels out as a similar type batting average to what Sierra and Miller are typically doing, .285-.295. If you're adding I don't know say 90 points for OBP. You've got a guy with a .380 OBP, I don't care what his power numbers are, a .380 OBP will play anywhere. Then he's got speed to make up for some of that lack of power.

Obviously the margin for error is a lot smaller for guys that lack power, but the right combination of average, walks, and stolen base ability can still be a formidable player at the major leagues. It'd be good if he was a killer CF too, which I'm not sure if he is or not. For some reason finding a guy who is a slap hitter, speedy and draws a lot of walks is a rarity even at the major league level, I don't know why, but in my eyes there's no reason that type of player can't exist in today's game.

[Nick]

Luis Palacios watch:

4 IP 0 Runs 2 hits 0 BBs 1 K Today

[fish16]

I agree, but the thing that could make up for that is an elite approach at the plate. With Sierra his OBP has been about .40-45 points higher than his, he has to hit above .300 for him to be any sort of effective hitter at the plate, and he hasn't consistently done that. Brian Miller's OBP has been about 55-65 points higher than his BA, which is better, but still projecting him, you're probably not going to get much more than about a replacement level bat if he hangs around a .275-.295 hitter that he's been in the minors.

Right now Orr has a .375 BA at Batavia, with a .508 OBP, his OBP 133 points higher. As he progresses in the minors that is going to decrease as he'll be facing pitchers with better command. Still that's 133 points double what Miller's typically has been. So let's say he levels out as a similar type batting average to what Sierra and Miller are typically doing, .285-.295. If you're adding I don't know say 90 points for OBP. You've got a guy with a .380 OBP, I don't care what his power numbers are, a .380 OBP will play anywhere. Then he's got speed to make up for some of that lack of power.

Obviously the margin for error is a lot smaller for guys that lack power, but the right combination of average, walks, and stolen base ability can still be a formidable player at the major leagues. It'd be good if he was a killer CF too, which I'm not sure if he is or not. For some reason finding a guy who is a slap hitter, speedy and draws a lot of walks is a rarity even at the major league level, I don't know why, but in my eyes there's no reason that type of player can't exist in today's game.

i agree if he can keep it up, but go look at brent keys minor league stats, he did similar things and then flamed out when he got to the upper levels of the minors. All i was saying was that his stats, lack of power, and really good plate discipline remind me of him. Time will tell whether he makes it long term but his numbers are undisputably phenomenal thus far.

[Nick]

i agree if he can keep it up, but go look at brent keys minor league stats, he did similar things and then flamed out when he got to the upper levels of the minors. All i was saying was that his stats, lack of power, and really good plate discipline remind me of him. Time will tell whether he makes it long term but his numbers are undisputably phenomenal thus far.

Only difference I would say is that Keys wasn't great right out of the gate like Orr has been. He was not great for 3 seasons. Great for 2 seasons, and then sucked. Keys' whole minor league career seems more like an exception than a rule. One thing I find curious about Keys' numbers is he never really put both the high average and high walk total together in the same season. His year at AA is where he put up the huge walk total, and it was also the year he hit .240.

[fish16]

Only difference I would say is that Keys wasn't great right out of the gate like Orr has been. He was not great for 3 seasons. Great for 2 seasons, and then sucked. Keys' whole minor league career seems more like an exception than a rule. One thing I find curious about Keys' numbers is he never really put both the high average and high walk total together in the same season. His year at AA is where he put up the huge walk total, and it was also the year he hit .240.

keys also was drafted out of high school and started playing in the mnors when he was 18 as opposed to orr who is now 22 and will be 23 in september. In the year that Keys was Orr's age he hit .335 in Greensboro, a 34/30 BB/K ratio, 18/23 on SB's, and had a .394 OBP.

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and had an .843 OPS.

[Nick]

keys also was drafted out of high school and started playing in the mnors when he was 18 as opposed to orr who is now 22 and will be 23 in september. In the year that Keys was Orr's age he hit .335 in Greensboro, a 34/30 BB/K ratio, 18/23 on SB's, and had a .394 OBP.

My point is, Keys lack of power, or ability to draw walks are not the reason he's out of baseball right now. The reason he's out of baseball is because he couldn't hit above .240 at AA. We're seeing slap-hitters Miller and Sierra hitting around .280-.290 right now at AA, so it can be done, my point is based on limited sample size, Orr may have a skill they don't in his patience at the plate, only time will tell if he's able to maintain it and whether it'll be a difference maker.

[fish16]

has anyone seen anything as to why jorge guzman is on the DL now?

[Nick]

Jupiter got no-hit.