2020 Draft

[sports24/7]

The BA mock has us taking Lacy even after the Orioles take Zac Veen. In their write up for that pick, they say they really still think it's probably Martin, but based on the buzz that's been going on with them going under slot, they wanted to show what the ripple effect could be if they do that. I can post that part if anyone wants, but here's the Marlins pick:

Asa Lacy
Texas A&MLHP
Notes:
With Martin available at No. 3 it might make some sense for Miami to pivot to the best pure hitter in the class, but sources we’ve talked with believe the Marlins are locking in heavily on Lacy.

I'd probably lean towards Martin if he's there, but I won't be mad about Lacy at all, and I'm glad to hear they're locking on to him, because Tork and Martin will probably be gone, and that means not going under slot in a draft where I think that would be a mistake.

[tjfla]

The BA mock has us taking Lacy even after the Orioles take Zac Veen. In their write up for that pick, they say they really still think it's probably Martin, but based on the buzz that's been going on with them going under slot, they wanted to show what the ripple effect could be if they do that. I can post that part if anyone wants, but here's the Marlins pick:



I'd probably lean towards Martin if he's there, but I won't be mad about Lacy at all, and I'm glad to hear they're locking on to him, because Tork and Martin will probably be gone, and that means not going under slot in a draft where I think that would be a mistake.

Well we will likely be going underslot no matter what. Thing is Lacy is probably 100-250K under slot and not crazy number like the rest

How crazy was the ripple effect with Veen?

[Lee Stone]

Lacy then five more pitchers would be my preference. Pitchers can be developed w/o the benefit of minor league competition moreso than position players/hitters. I'd have no objection to adding a catching prospect or even two if they are outstanding athletes with very strong hit tool.

Why is Lacy a huge get? Take a look at premium LH starting pitchers in the NL East. Corbin in Washington and Max Fried in Atlanta. That's it.

[Nick]

fishstripes had an article with us taking HS Catcher with the 40th pick. I'd be happy with that, I think it's important we got a prospect caliber catcher. After that get a couple more arms, and some more bats in the vain of Peyton Burdick and Evan Edwards last year.

https://www.fishstripes.com/2020/5/2...marlins-update

[fauowls44]

The BA mock has us taking Lacy even after the Orioles take Zac Veen. In their write up for that pick, they say they really still think it's probably Martin, but based on the buzz that's been going on with them going under slot, they wanted to show what the ripple effect could be if they do that. I can post that part if anyone wants, but here's the Marlins pick:



I'd probably lean towards Martin if he's there, but I won't be mad about Lacy at all, and I'm glad to hear they're locking on to him, because Tork and Martin will probably be gone, and that means not going under slot in a draft where I think that would be a mistake.

Thanks for posting. That is interesting. I would lean towards Martin myself if he is there. The draft seems to have a lot pitching depth, so if Martin is there, I would take him and go pitcher in round 2. I would still be surprised if Tork and Martin don't go 1-2 though.

[sports24/7]

Well we will likely be going underslot no matter what. Thing is Lacy is probably 100-250K under slot and not crazy number like the rest

How crazy was the ripple effect with Veen?

Right. I mean cutting a deal on a lesser prospect to spend more later.

To be honest, I haven't been paying too much attention to the picks outside the top 5, so I couldn't tell you what's different, but here's how they have the first round:

1. Tork
2. Veen
3. Lacy
4. Martin
5. Hancock
6. Meyer
7. Gonzales
8. Bitsko
9. Detmers
10. Kjerstad
11. Bailey
12. Hassell
13. Crochet
14. Mitchell
15. Soderstrom
16. Hendrick
17. Abel
18. Crow-Armstrong
19. Cavalli
20. Dingler
21. Loftin
22. Foscue
23. Westburg
24. Sabato
25. Jarvis
26. Howard
27. Beeter
28. Cecconi
29. Burns
30. Kelley
31. Wilcox
32. Miller
33. Parada
34. McMahon
35. Mlodisnky
36. Wells
37. Jones

- - - - - - - - - -

Thanks for posting. That is interesting. I would lean towards Martin myself if he is there. The draft seems to have a lot pitching depth, so if Martin is there, I would take him and go pitcher in round 2. I would still be surprised if Tork and Martin don't go 1-2 though.

Agreed. I think I'd almost always prefer the bat all things being equal. I also agree that it will probably be Tork and Martin 1-2.

[Lee Stone]

I think I'd almost always prefer the bat all things being equal. I also agree that it will probably be Tork and Martin 1-2.

That's the great baseball debate. Would you take Tommy Edman or Max Fried right now? That's my best approximation of Martin vs Lacy. (Although Edman can play SS and Lacy is more advanced than Fried was at this point).

As I get fired up for next week's draft, and look more and more closely at the lay of the diamond, I see a potential coup for the Marlins second pick. Arkansas SS, 2B, 3B, CF Casey Martin is NOT listed as a first rounder in MLB mock draft, despite being the best player on 2018 NCAA runner-up. He would definitely be another Misner-type grab for the Marlins. As a toolsy guy, he's actually superior to Austin Martin in every area except the hit tool (for average). He looks to be a better prospect than Brian Anderson from the same college (Arkansas). If he slips, the Marlins have to take him.

[tjfla]

I think I'd almost always prefer the bat all things being equal. I also agree that it will probably be Tork and Martin 1-2.

That's the great baseball debate. Would you take Tommy Edman or Max Fried right now? That's my best approximation of Martin vs Lacy. (Although Edman can play SS and Lacy is more advanced than Fried was at this point).

No news on Rd 1 pick. They still like Asa Lacy and Austin Martin. Some smoke still about underslot guy here like Bailey/Crochet/Zac Veen but unlikely

News on Rd 2 and 2S same too. Rd 2 they want a 1st Rd College Bat who fell like Misner LY-Sabato,Casey Martin are top on list but like Wells/Cabrera too. Rd 2S is very likely to be a high risk high reward HS player. They have zeroed in on LOCAL guys they have seen like Mederos,Rosario,Enrique Bradfield,Yohandy Morales.

[sports24/7]

I think I'd almost always prefer the bat all things being equal. I also agree that it will probably be Tork and Martin 1-2.

That's the great baseball debate. Would you take Tommy Edman or Max Fried right now? That's my best approximation of Martin vs Lacy. (Although Edman can play SS and Lacy is more advanced than Fried was at this point).

As I get fired up for next week's draft, and look more and more closely at the lay of the diamond, I see a potential coup for the Marlins second pick. Arkansas SS, 2B, 3B, CF Casey Martin is NOT listed as a first rounder in MLB mock draft, despite being the best player on 2018 NCAA runner-up. He would definitely be another Misner-type grab for the Marlins. As a toolsy guy, he's actually superior to Austin Martin in every area except the hit tool (for average). He looks to be a better prospect than Brian Anderson from the same college (Arkansas). If he slips, the Marlins have to take him.

The good news is re. Martin/Lacy, is you can't go wrong either way. Obviously either, or both could be busts, but that's the crapshoot that is the MLB draft. As prospects, though, you have a really good pitching prospect, and a really good hitting prospect. Either way you're adding a top level prospect.

[Nick]

The good news is re. Martin/Lacy, is you can't go wrong either way. Obviously either, or both could be busts, but that's the crapshoot that is the MLB draft. As prospects, though, you have a really good pitching prospect, and a really good hitting prospect. Either way you're adding a top level prospect.

Yeah, I definitely feel like this year more than any year I can remember they really can't screw this first pick up. Taking one of those top 3 guys is a no-brainer. I know some people have talked about saving money, and going crazy with spending with later picks, but I'd really be stunned if any of Detroit, Baltimore or us go that route.

[tjfla]

Yeah, I definitely feel like this year more than any year I can remember they really can't screw this first pick up. Taking one of those top 3 guys is a no-brainer. I know some people have talked about saving money, and going crazy with spending with later picks, but I'd really be stunned if any of Detroit, Baltimore or us go that route.

Ya I doubt we are going that route even tho DJ keeps talking up the WHOLE draft. Baltimore is the likely team for the go crazy method with Veen,Gonzales,Kjerstad

I think we play it safe. P Asa Lacy and 1B/DH Aaron Sabato/Austin Wells or SS Casey Martin/Freddy Zamora with first 2 picks then with 2S pick they get crazy with a HS guy. Either Miami locals like Rosario,Mederos,Yohandy Morales OR take some kid like Blaze Jordan or hard sign and see if they can sign him. Remember Rds 1-3 u get a pick the NEXT year if u dont sign the guy u take so u could take a hard sign in 2S or 3

- - - - - - - - - -

Something to watch is teams pretty much picking in Rd 1,4,5. They will take players but likely unsignable guys. Why? They are punting on this draft and get picks next year. Washington/Houston/LAA have been mentioned. Take a College Guy who could possibly help soon with 1st pick then guys who cant they cant sign

Alot of different strategies in this draft it nuts. Some teams are gonna do normal draft,few are gonna go crazy(Take talent and see if they get it done) and others are punting.

[sports24/7]

Ya I doubt we are going that route even tho DJ keeps talking up the WHOLE draft. Baltimore is the likely team for the go crazy method with Veen,Gonzales,Kjerstad

I think we play it safe. P Asa Lacy and 1B/DH Aaron Sabato/Austin Wells or SS Casey Martin/Freddy Zamora with first 2 picks then with 2S pick they get crazy with a HS guy. Either Miami locals like Rosario,Mederos,Yohandy Morales OR take some kid like Blaze Jordan or hard sign and see if they can sign him. Remember Rds 1-3 u get a pick the NEXT year if u dont sign the guy u take so u could take a hard sign in 2S or 3

- - - - - - - - - -

Something to watch is teams pretty much picking in Rd 1,4,5. They will take players but likely unsignable guys. Why? They are punting on this draft and get picks next year. Washington/Houston/LAA have been mentioned. Take a College Guy who could possibly help soon with 1st pick then guys who cant they cant sign

Alot of different strategies in this draft it nuts. Some teams are gonna do normal draft,few are gonna go crazy(Take talent and see if they get it done) and others are punting.

In theory, if some teams are going to take the strategy of drafting unsignable players, it pushes good (signable) players down the draft board.

As for that plan you outlined, that seems awfully high for Zamora, but I'd be happy with any of the other 3 names with their second pick.

[tjfla]

In theory, if some teams are going to take the strategy of drafting unsignable players, it pushes good (signable) players down the draft board.

As for that plan you outlined, that seems awfully high for Zamora, but I'd be happy with any of the other 3 names with their second pick.

Zamora has been getting talked up for about 2 months now. Read 1 article that said IF he was wasnt hurt LY he would have been a Top 10 overall pick and FG has him at #35 and 40FV. I would take the other 3 guys as well before him but the thing on Zamora is he can stick at SS. Alot of guys like Loftin,WEstburg,Casey Martin,Alika Williams are listed as SS but reality is they will likely be 2B/3B.

Alot of good signable players on going to get pushed down because not many scouts have seen guys.Ed Howard is a kid to watch. His name is falling fast but likely Baltimore takes him before he gets to us especially since they talking underslot. U got HS guys,HS kids who reclassified,injured college guys,JC guys,PR kids. This is the reason alot of teams are talking about underslot in Rd 1 if u can save cash u could take a Rd 1 talent in Rds 3-5. When I say underslot to save money I am talking about the draft pool(Remember u can only go 5% OVER pool # and if u dont sign a player u lose that pool #) if teams are smart they could have another million or 2 for a Rd 2 pick

Example THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN

Rd 1 Asa Lacy
Rd 2 Ed Howard
Rd 2S Mederos
R3-5 College Arms/College C


Sign Rd 3-5 guys for less than 1 million(SAVE 1.5 million)
Go 5% over cap #(Get another 500K)
Lacy underslot(Get another 200K)

We could give Howard #22 Pick cash

[Lee Stone]

JT Ginn remains a possibility to drop to the 40th pick. I'd go cheap or unsignable on picks 3-6 if I could get Lacy and Ginn.

[tjfla]

JT Ginn remains a possibility to drop to the 40th pick. I'd go cheap or unsignable on picks 3-6 if I could get Lacy and Ginn.

U cant go unsignable because No Sign=Lose Pool $. U can take a Rd 1 talent in Rd 2 then talk to someone about taking like 100K instead of 20K in later Rds and save about 500K for other picks

I wouldnt be surprised if they looked at "injured" players and see if they could sign them. JT Ginn/Hugh Fisher from Vandy are possible. I doubt we are going the go crazy or even unsignable route. DJ keeps talking about the whole draft

The unsignable route is for teams like LAA/Houston/SD/TB. Take top tier talent after Rd 1 they dont sign and get picks in 2021 when can scout and all. Pretty much just punt on the draft. The go crazy route is for teams like Baltimore/KC/Us. Teams with lots of $ and picks who could take chances. If we didnt like Austin Martin AND Asa Lacy so much I could see us do the go crazy route in a second. Take Bailey or Crochet (save 3.5 million and 500K for 5% over)which means like 10 million for 5 picks and just offer 2 million(Rd 1 cash) to ever pick!! This is what Baltimore is rumored to be dying to do but no clue if they will.

Baltimore wants to go Veen or Kjerstad in Rd 1 save like 3 million/then draft College guys for like 100K each in Rd 4 and 5 save like 750K/use 5% overage. Get Kjerstad,Ed Howard or Jordan Walker,whatever else might have fallen. Pretty much make 5 1st Rd picks

If Jeff still owned the team we would be going unsignable route in a second