Round 2 | Nasim Nunez | SS | Collins Hill HS (GA) | SIGNED

[Nick]

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Somebody on the MLB Network draft team, dropped an Omar Vizquel when talking about this guy. Overall, really pleased with our first 3 picks.

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http://baseballprospectjournal.com/n...nez-mlb-draft/

[tjfla]

Not my boy!! I am not a fan of drafting defense guys this early,I just kept hearing("janitor" friend and fangraphs kept saying they love him)his name

Love the glove and he can stick at SS but 5'9 160 with iffy bat. Dee Gordon Lite here

What happens to Osiris now because Nunez will be sticking at SS,does he go to CF or 2B in Clinton next year?

[fish16]

Not my boy!! I am not a fan of drafting defense guys this early,I just kept hearing("janitor" friend and fangraphs kept saying they love him)his name

Love the glove and he can stick at SS but 5'9 160 with iffy bat. Dee Gordon Lite here

What happens to Osiris now because Nunez will be sticking at SS,does he go to CF or 2B in Clinton next year?

Dee Gordon lite is not a compliment. Not sure if you intended it to be or not but dee Gordon stinks

[tjfla]

Dee Gordon lite is not a compliment. Not sure if you intended it to be or not but dee Gordon stinks

Whether u like Dee Gordon or not that is the comp for Nunez. Only difference is Nunez will stick at SS

[fish16]

Whether u like Dee Gordon or not that is the comp for Nunez. Only difference is Nunez will stick at SS

I just hate drafting guys early who have such a light hitting tool. You’re already resigning yourself
To the fact that, even on the day he is drafted, he will have absolutely 0 power. And then if his hit tool is less than expected you’re already looking at a guy who probably can’t be a regular. You don’t draft guys with absolutely 0 chance to ever develop any power this early

[lou]

Dee Gordon lite is not a compliment. Not sure if you intended it to be or not but dee Gordon stinks

2.2 WAR per 650 PA for Dee's career. I don't think that is a knock.

Is Dee "over rated" in the sense he got paid too much money in his career for speed? Sure. But let's pump the breaks a little here. Both FG and Law had this guy a top 30ish prospect. Process matters. This is good on paper which is all we can ask in the crapshoot of a draft.

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What happens to Osiris now because Nunez will be sticking at SS,does he go to CF or 2B in Clinton next year?

He's going to be an outfielder. FG is already listing him as one - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-32-prospects-miami-marlins/

[fish16]

And what’s dees war per 650 without the steroid tainted year? He’s just a guy who would be considered one of the best players in the league in the 80s or 90s and would now be accurately judged as an average player at best. He is a low obp 0 power guy who can’t play ss. He’s one of my most overrated players in marlins history. His bat is just not good and he’s overrated based on a steroid induced career year that is the only year he’s ever come close to being an above average hitter. Aside from that year where he had a 116 ops +, his next best is 101 and every other year he’s been a below average hitter. He’s completely overrated

[tjfla]

2.2 WAR per 650 PA for Dee's career. I don't think that is a knock.

Is Dee "over rated" in the sense he got paid too much money in his career for speed? Sure. But let's pump the breaks a little here. Both FG and Law had this guy a top 30ish prospect. Process matters. This is good on paper which is all we can ask in the crapshoot of a draft.

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He's going to be an outfielder. FG is already listing him as one - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-32-p...miami-marlins/

He is so high because he can stick at SS but totally agree. Nunez has talent and its what the system needs

Ya I would move him to CF but with the million OF's we got I think he plays 2B alot next year. All I know is he won't be at SS in Clinton with Nunez there. 1 positive about Osiris is he is actually YOUNGER than Nunez

[sports24/7]

Dee Gordon lite is not a compliment. Not sure if you intended it to be or not but dee Gordon stinks

I don't think he meant it that way, but I'd take Dee Gordon's bat and speed with elite defense at SS every day of the week. Dee Gordon had one of the best years in Marlins history in 2015. That was by far his peak, but he isn't a bad player.

[Nick]

2017-2019 Dee Gordon with elite SS Defense is a fantastic player.

[fish16]

I don't think he meant it that way, but I'd take Dee Gordon's bat and speed with elite defense at SS every day of the week. Dee Gordon had one of the best years in Marlins history in 2015. That was by far his peak, but he isn't a bad player.

At SS that is a different story. But at 2b i find Dee gordon to be a fairly close to replacement level player outside of the steroid tainted numbers. Low OBP 0 power guys playing a not hard to find position like 2b isnt a valuable player unless he's making close to the minimum. I dont mind dee gordon as a person or as a low priced player, I think he is completely overrated as a significant piece on any team in the modern age of baseball and with the advanced stats we have to evaluate players and with the emphasis in the modern game on having guys who can hit HR's or at least hit for some semblance of power.


Also, i know nothing about Nunez, my main point is that i just do not like taking guys this high with absolutely 0 in terms of power and with very little hope of ever developing power. I view it as settling for limited upside given the modern age of baseball with so much power all over the diamond. If any other tool doesnt develop as planned, you have a pretty useless player who probably cant start on a major league roster. Dee gordon in the majors could be a decent enough player, but drafting a guy like Dee early without already knowing how the hit tool will translate and while knowing the power wont develop isnt a great use of a high pick. Overall though im fine with it because this draft has otherwise been phenomenal. Im just not a fan of drafting guys in the modern age of baseball who you already know will never be able to hit for power on the day you draft him.

[Nick]

I don't think Dee Gordon's biggest deficiency is his lack of power. He makes up for his lack of power, not completely, but pretty well with his stolen base ability. His biggest deficiency is the lack of walks. Dee Gordon as is, with a .350-.360 OBP every year is a monster.

Maybe Nunez can develop (or already has, what do I know) a little more patience at the plate.

[fish16]

I don't think Dee Gordon's biggest deficiency is his lack of power. He makes up for his lack of power, not completely, but pretty well with his stolen base ability. His biggest deficiency is the lack of walks. Dee Gordon as is, with a .350-.360 OBP every year is a monster.

Maybe Nunez can develop (or already has, what do I know) a little more patience at the plate.

That's fair. It's the combination of the lack of power combined with the lack of walks/OBP. I just am not a fan of drafting guys this early who you already know will never develop power because if you are wrong about any other part of their potential development you dont have a major league player, or if you do its a guy like Hech who should not be a major league starter. In the early rounds I believe you should be trying to find the guy with the most tools or guys who have fairly predictable tools. If you get a guy like Nunez out of college who is more projectable because of the increased age and experience that's one thing, but a high schooler with already limited tools in the second round doesnt seem like a smart use of resources in my opinion. The front office has earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion with the draft though and I have never seen nunez play for ever a second thogh, so only time will tell whether they had the right idea here.

[tjfla]

That's fair. It's the combination of the lack of power combined with the lack of walks/OBP. I just am not a fan of drafting guys this early who you already know will never develop power because if you are wrong about any other part of their potential development you dont have a major league player, or if you do its a guy like Hech who should not be a major league starter. In the early rounds I believe you should be trying to find the guy with the most tools or guys who have fairly predictable tools. If you get a guy like Nunez out of college who is more projectable because of the increased age and experience that's one thing, but a high schooler with already limited tools in the second round doesnt seem like a smart use of resources in my opinion. The front office has earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion with the draft though and I have never seen nunez play for ever a second thogh, so only time will tell whether they had the right idea here.

The reason why Nunez was drafted so early is because teams think he can stick at SS. Most SS have to move off the spot eventually-they are hoping 3 years he is up to 5'10 180 or so guy who has speed. I agree with u I wish we went with a Matt Lugo or an offensive SS but not sure beside 1 or 2 they would have stuck at SS

Same issue they are having in IFA. 3 "Commits" right now and all are listed as SS however likely only 1 will be there in 2 years. SS is a very hard position to find

[sports24/7]

My only real gripe with this pick was that Reece Hinds was still on the board, and I'd have preferred him. But with his defense, if he can ever become even a decent, he's going to be a valuable player.