The Official Armando Galarraga/WHAT THE FUCK JIM JOYCE Thread

[PitchingWinsGames]

"While the human element has always been an integral part of baseball, it is vital that mistakes on the field be addressed,"

Is this not somewhat of an oxymoron?

[Fritz]

No, it's closer to a paradox. Oxymorons are typically two words (e.g. icy hot) and paradoxes are typically phrases (e.g. The silence was deafening.)

[Party]

pretty impressive how classy everyone involved in this thing has been

I'm not surprised by the classiness between the players/umps/managers. But the fans giving him a standing o in Detroit was extremely impressive.

JJ has really done everything right. I was not a fan of his after the call last night, but now I really feel for the guy.

I think the reaction would have been different if it were a known asshole like Chris Guccione.

[Bobbob1313]

Dan LeBatard asked Tim kirkjian if he thought Carlos Zambrano wouldve shivved Joyce.

Classic.

[Ramp]

I am beyond surprised by Galaragga's actions from the moment Donald was called safe until this afternoon. Absolute class all around

[The Hanram]

This situation turned from ugly to one of the reasons baseball is great.

We all know that this was the 28 out perfect game.

[Branch]

I followed all the coverage of this debacle since the night it happened, and one question has been ringing in my head since it al started that I haven't seen or heard one person bring up.

What about the other umpires? Maybe the 2nd base ump didn't have a good angle, but I'm 100% positive one of the 3rd and home umps did. Obviously they're farther from the play, but I imagine they'd still be able to accurately see what happened. Why was there no appeal or conference between the umps? It's for a fucking perfect game, there's no way to appeal that call but you can appeal a fucking check swing? Really it's beyond any kind of appeal, any kind of input from other umps? (seriously, if it can't be appealed, I didn't know)

I just can't believe one human has autonomy in a situation like that. Awful.

Give me robot umps. I will not miss the fat guys.

[Ramp]

None of the other umps were willing to throw Joyce under the bus I suppose

[Branch]

If that is the case, I bet they are regretting that choice now.

[Party]

The only umpire I've seen reverse a call like that is Joe West. Once against the Marlins and on Friday against the Nats.

[FishFanInPA]

yeah Joe West's reversal on Friday was pretty ridiculous.

[Mainge]

I followed all the coverage of this debacle since the night it happened, and one question has been ringing in my head since it al started that I haven't seen or heard one person bring up.

What about the other umpires? Maybe the 2nd base ump didn't have a good angle, but I'm 100% positive one of the 3rd and home umps did. Obviously they're farther from the play, but I imagine they'd still be able to accurately see what happened. Why was there no appeal or conference between the umps? It's for a fucking perfect game, there's no way to appeal that call but you can appeal a fucking check swing? Really it's beyond any kind of appeal, any kind of input from other umps? (seriously, if it can't be appealed, I didn't know)

I just can't believe one human has autonomy in a situation like that. Awful.

Give me robot umps. I will not miss the fat guys.

There is no way any of them had a better angle than him. If they could all see the play better than Jimmy, there wouldn't be a need for 4 umps.

[Branch]

It's not that they had a better angle than him, that wasn't what I was implying. But I have a hard time believing that none of the other 3 guys saw what happened on the play. I'm more inclined to believe what Ramp suggested, that likely one of them may have seen it but was loathe to overrule Joyce, who was closer to the play.

[PitchingWinsGames]

Jim Joyce, the umpire whose missed call deprived Detroit Tigers pitcher Armando Galarraga of a perfect game on June 2, is baseball's best umpire nonetheless, according to an exclusive ESPN The Magazine Baseball Confidential poll of 100 major league players.

In general, however, baseball players think the umpires are pretty good. Overall, 29 percent of the players surveyed gave the umpires a "B" grade, with 20 percent giving them a "C" and 16 percent and "A."

Players also were decidedly opposed to replay and overwhelmingly applauded commissioner Bud Selig for not overturning Joyce's call that kept Galarraga from being the 21st pitcher in history to throw a perfect game.

Joyce was named in 53 percent of the surveys, which asked players for the three best and three worst umpires in the game, as well as questions about instant replay and whether Galarraga's perfect game should stand. That beat runner-up Tim McClelland, who ironically was panned for his performance in Game 4 of last year's American League Championship Series. McClelland was named on 34 percent of the ballots.

Joyce, in his 22nd year in the majors, was the clear choice of National League players, with Jim Wolf (18 percent) second. Joyce and McClelland, a 27-year veteran, tied for first among American League players (52 percent) -- both were former AL umpires before baseball combined its umpires into one entity in 1999.

CB Bucknor was named on 42 percent of the ballots as worst umpire, leading that category. The total narrowly edged Joe West, who was named on 40 percent, and Angel Hernandez, who was named on 22 percent.

The survey was taken after Joyce's call, which came on what would have been the final out of a perfect game for Galarraga. Joyce called Cleveland's Jason Donald safe at first on a ground ball hit to first baseman Miguel Cabrera, who threw to Galarraga covering the bag. Replays showed Donald was clearly out.

Joyce apologized nearly immediately for his mistake. Players surveyed said it didn't impact their view of him.

"The sad thing about the Galarraga game is, Jim Joyce is seriously one of the best umpires around," one player said. "He always calls it fair, so players love him. Everyone makes mistakes, and it's terrible that this happened to him."

Bucknor, in his 11th season, was named the worst umpire by both American and National League players, with West and Hernandez second and third in both leagues. West, in his 32nd season, and Hernandez, in his 17th, work on the same crew; West is the crew chief.

West, who made headlines earlier this season when he criticized the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox for taking too long to play games, was named the umpire with the quickest trigger to eject players. He was named on 35 percent of the ballots, followed by Rob Drake (12 percent) and Bill Hohn (9 percent).

The survey also found players lukewarm -- at best -- on replay. Only 22 percent of players favored replays for calls on the bases, and only 36 supported replay on fair/foul calls.

And only 13 percent thought Selig should have given Galarraga a perfect game despite Joyce's botched call. Said one player: "As a pitcher, it was heartbreaking to see that. But the call had to be overturned on the field, not in the front office."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/s...=ESPNHeadlines

[AaronbooneFTW]

Almost threw my full cup of Iced tea at the TV when I saw that call, no matter what if I was that ump, I'm calling him out, because people would forget about the blown call (IF He was safe, which he wasnt) if it led to the celebration of a perfect game. Just think about Annibal Sanchez's No No, it was bang bang, still called out!