July 2019 Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

Gonna be a LONGGGGGGGG day with Lee I see

Hilarious! MILW would never give up Grisham for Smith ... and you think it's lowballing.

LG LEVEL G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

Minors 97 370 71 111 223 22 6 26 71 67 5 72 12 5 .300 .407 .603 1.010

[lou]

Caleb Smith for Trent Grisham, one for one with MILW. Grisham is 22, LHB, and crushing. I'd even toss in Nick Anderson.

I wouldn't give them Nick Anderson for him.

He looks much better this year, but AAA is BABIP fueled and the Marlins have plenty of OF options. This is insane even for you.

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Hilarious! MILW would never give up Grisham for Smith ... and you think it's lowballing.

LG LEVEL G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

Minors 97 370 71 111 223 22 6 26 71 67 5 72 12 5 .300 .407 .603 1.010

It's beyond low-balling. .384 BABIP in AAA.

If they throw in someone else, they can have Anderson.

[Lee Stone]

I wouldn't give them Nick Anderson for him.

He looks much better this year, but AAA is BABIP fueled and the Marlins have plenty of OF options. This is insane even for you.

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It's beyond low-balling. .384 BABIP in AAA.

If they throw in someone else, they can have Anderson.

Grisham looks like a better version of Kyle Tucker to me. He does everything better and their age is the same.

[tjfla]

Frazier package yes,
Tucker package hell yes, which they won't do
Gorman package yes,
Hiuera yes obviously and that one especially can't happen, Turang isn't a centerpiece for Caleb.

You'd need Amaya AND Nico from the Cubs, another low level prospect, and Ian Happ who is a good buy low. Career .242/.358./479 against RHP (650 PA), and does have a .774 OPS vs RHP in the minors this year. If he can hit right handers a little and play all over the field, great bench guy floor. They can have Walker/Castro with this too for sure. Still, this is not the best package and is probably still a keep.

Tampa has a lot of fun stuff, but you could figure out packages for Brujan or Liberatore. I'd only want either of those two as a centerpiece.

You need one of Luzardo/Murphy as the centerpiece for sure

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I'd pass. Who cares. When is he going to grow up?

I'd pass too just saying he is gonna be an option now

The Turang deal would have more like Dubon/OF/Feliciano I am just saying thats who they would want to start NOT Dubon like they were offered

Cubs really arent in for Caleb-more likely Richards and Anderson

1 issue I am having is we have so many guys getting calls its hard to figure out what they are getting offered for whom. My "fake" janitor friend is sending me stuff but just really names

[lou]

Grisham looks like a better version of Kyle Tucker to me. He does everything better and their age is the same.

Even if you think that, he's still not worth Caleb Smith let alone w/ N. Anderson as a throw in

[tjfla]

Even if you think that, he's still not worth Caleb Smith let alone w/ N. Anderson as a throw in

Could probably get

Turang/Dubon/OF(Grisham,Ray) or Feliciano and more for Caleb and vet if Marlins really wanted a "package"

By 2 or 3PM Marlins will know if they can really bend another team over in Caleb deal

[fauowls44]

Could probably get

Turang/Dubon/OF(Grisham,Ray) or Feliciano and more for Caleb and vet if Marlins really wanted a "package"

There is no MLB ready (or close to it) bat there. If I am trading 4 more years of control of Caleb, I would need a Tucker/Hiura type bat in return..especially given the available starting pitcher landscape right now. I'm inclined just to keep Smith...but if someone wants him, they need to pay up for him.

I would definitely take a package for Richards though.

[tjfla]

Nick Anderson is VERY VERY popular and Miami has told teams he can be had.

2 reasons #1 He is 29 already and #2 The pen is pretty full for 2020 with Steck back,Richards there(for now),Guzman and Holloway likely to go there

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There is no MLB ready (or close to it) bat there. If I am trading 4 more years of control of Caleb, I would need a Tucker/Hiura type bat in return..especially given the available starting pitcher landscape right now. I'm inclined just to keep Smith...but if someone wants him, they need to pay up for him.

I would definitely take a package for Richards though.

Well they will take a younger bat IF they love them. They LOVE Gorman and Turang from what I have heard. They prefer a ML ready guy like Frazier/Tucker/Hiura and not a package of 4/5 guys-they just dont want a package with a bat they are like well he is good

They got a Dubon/OF and more offer last week for Caleb and countered with Richards which Milwaukee passed on

St Louis offered Knizer and more which Miami likes for Richards but for Caleb it pretty much has to include Gorman

They love younger guys like Turang,Gorman,Casas,Brujan,India,Pache,Jesus Sanchez in a package but would prefer Clint Frazier,Tucker,Kieboom,Hiura in like 2 or 3(lesser guys/things) for Caleb deals

Also willing to include ML guys/minor league guys like the Romo deal

[lou]

There is no MLB ready (or close to it) bat there. If I am trading 4 more years of control of Caleb, I would need a Tucker/Hiura type bat in return..especially given the available starting pitcher landscape right now. I'm inclined just to keep Smith...but if someone wants him, they need to pay up for him.

I would definitely take a package for Richards though.

Yep

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Nick Anderson is VERY VERY popular and Miami has told teams he can be had.

2 reasons #1 He is 29 already and #2 The pen is pretty full for 2020 with Steck back,Richards there(for now),Guzman and Holloway likely to go there

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Well they will take a younger bat IF they love them. They LOVE Gorman and Turang from what I have heard. They prefer a ML ready guy like Frazier/Tucker/Hiura and not a package of 4/5 guys-they just dont want a package with a bat they are like well he is good

They got a Dubon/OF and more offer last week for Caleb and countered with Richards which Milwaukee passed on

St Louis offered Knizer and more which Miami likes for Richards but for Caleb it pretty much has to include Gorman

They love younger guys like Turang,Gorman,Casas,Brujan,India,Pache,Jesus Sanchez in a package but would prefer Clint Frazier,Tucker,Kieboom,Hiura in like 2 or 3(lesser guys/things) for Caleb deals

Also willing to include ML guys/minor league guys like the Romo deal

29 is still young, and the pen isn't full. Guzman and Holloway may not even be ready, what have they earned? Anderson, Steck, Brice, Richards, and Brigham (with Elisier in the rotation as the 5 or in AAA) isn't exactly a murderball pen even if there is some real upside there. They have no lefties to speak of besides Garcia, Quijada, and I guess Conley. Neither of those reasons is compelling to move Anderson.

But if someone wants to give them a ludicrous deal for him, sure. That's the standard for all Marlins IMO besides Castro/Walker. Get crazy beneficial trade or just keep them.

And you do have to get Gorman for Caleb. They are right. They do need to get Sixto/Bleday level talent for a young lefty SP who has a 2.8 WAR in first 190ish innings, and 4 more years of control. This is a stud player. They need more than Gorman.

[tjfla]

Yep

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29 is still young, and the pen isn't full. Guzman and Holloway may not even be ready, what have they earned? Anderson, Steck, Brice, Richards, and Brigham (with Elisier in the rotation as the 5 or in AAA) isn't exactly a murderball pen even if there is some real upside there. They have no lefties to speak of besides Garcia, Quijada, and I guess Conley. Neither of those reasons is compelling to move Anderson.

But if someone wants to give them a ludicrous deal for him, sure. That's the standard for all Marlins IMO besides Castro/Walker. Get crazy beneficial trade or just keep them.

And you do have to get Gorman for Caleb. They are right. They do need to get Sixto/Bleday level talent for a young lefty SP who has a 2.8 WAR in first 190ish innings, and 4 more years of control. This is a stud player. They need more than Gorman.

Not saying they are giving Anderson away-saying they are willing to discuss him for those reasons. If he was 25/26 and they didnt have tons of RP they probably wouldnt even discuss him with teams

[lou]

Not saying they are giving Anderson away-saying they are willing to discuss him for those reasons. If he was 25/26 and they didnt have tons of RP they probably wouldnt even discuss him with teams

They don't have tons of RP. They might in a year, but they don't right now.

In fact, they are going to be thin next year in the bullpen unless they get a few more guys. After Anderson, Steck, Brice, Richards, Brigham, Garcia, Quijada, and Conley, and maybe Elisier if he is converted to the pen, they don't have MLB ready options you want to rely on. Guzman, Holloway, and Dugger in no order may be the next call ups. They'll have to sign guys or pray a Milbrath works out.

[tjfla]

They don't have tons of RP. They might in a year, but they don't right now.

In fact, they are going to be thin next year in the bullpen unless they get a few more guys. After Anderson, Steck, Brice, Richards, Brigham, Garcia, Quijada, and Conley, and maybe Elisier if he is converted to the pen, they don't have MLB ready options you want to rely on. Guzman, Holloway, and Dugger in no order may be the next call ups. They'll have to sign guys or pray a Milbrath works out.

Sign Romo and trade him at deadline again!!

[lou]

Sign Romo and trade him at deadline again!!

If they trade a reliever or two, they will have to do that for sure and then we can circle Aug 1, 2020 for (1) Guzman, (2) Holloway and anyone else who gets their shit together, and (3) Potential Sandy conversion to pen if starting isn't working out and most of Sixto/Neidert/Garrett/Rogers/Cabrera/Stewart/Dugger/Yamamoto look like they could be a rotation by themselves.

I'm expecting this to be very low level deals for Castro and Walker and that's it. I have a hard time seeing another team paying the Marlins for 4-5 years of control for some of their young pitching.

[Lee Stone]

If they trade a reliever or two, they will have to do that for sure and then we can circle Aug 1, 2020 for (1) Guzman, (2) Holloway and anyone else who gets their shit together, and (3) Potential Sandy conversion to pen if starting isn't working out and most of Sixto/Neidert/Garrett/Rogers/Cabrera/Stewart/Dugger/Yamamoto look like they could be a rotation by themselves.

I'm expecting this to be very low level deals for Castro and Walker and that's it. I have a hard time seeing another team paying the Marlins for 4-5 years of control for some of their young pitching.

Stewart, Dugger and Yamamoto are tough to see as rotation guys of the future.

[lou]

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Stewart, Dugger and Yamamoto are tough to see as rotation guys of the future.

I agree. Which is why they need to be forced to trade any controllable arm by the deal being lopsided in their favor.