May Game Thread

[Namaste]

Keep laughing...their going for 21 innings since they scored right as I type (Tampa up 1-0 in the bottom of the 6th). You can't win games if you can't score

EDIT : they are now 10-31. To get to 43 games won they will need to win now 33 of 121 or .27 pace. Achievable but they are now at a .244 pace. If these numbers don't change by June 1st, you have to start to entertain the idea of becoming a part of one of the most embarrassing statistics in modern MLB history.

Why would you subject a fanbase to that kind of abuse ? I mean you think in just 2 years the fanbase is going to be that forgiving and just start showing up because they win a few games ? The ONLY thing that will save this franchise is going to be free agency and we have seen how that market is changing and not as easy as it once was.

*they’re


And “43 wins will be tough for them” is still hilarious even with them losing tonight.

[Todd]

I used my admittedly poor and rudimentary photo editing "abilities" to throw a different take on the new Marlins rebrand, using the logos and colors they used. Part 1, the home alternate.
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[fauowls44]

I get that this team is terrible, but please, enough with Rosell Herrera.

I don't care that Herrera can play CF. Just call up Dean, let him and Ramirez get all the at bats they possibly can at this point. Put Ramirez in CF. If there is any team that can afford to experiment, it's this one.

[fish16]

Keep laughing...their going for 21 innings since they scored right as I type (Tampa up 1-0 in the bottom of the 6th). You can't win games if you can't score

EDIT : they are now 10-31. To get to 43 games won they will need to win now 33 of 121 or .27 pace. Achievable but they are now at a .244 pace. If these numbers don't change by June 1st, you have to start to entertain the idea of becoming a part of one of the most embarrassing statistics in modern MLB history.

Why would you subject a fanbase to that kind of abuse ? I mean you think in just 2 years the fanbase is going to be that forgiving and just start showing up because they win a few games ? The ONLY thing that will save this franchise is going to be free agency and we have seen how that market is changing and not as easy as it once was.

2 things: first, you learned literally nothing from your absurd prediction last year. Second, I have no idea what rooting for this team does for you and why you do so when you’re so absurdly jaded and cynical about every thing

[gustavopim]

I get that this team is terrible, but please, enough with Rosell Herrera.

I don't care that Herrera can play CF. Just call up Dean, let him and Ramirez get all the at bats they possibly can at this point. Put Ramirez in CF. If there is any team that can afford to experiment, it's this one.

Exactly. If we're going to be bad at least lets give our farm system a chance. I honestly can't stand seeing Berdi, Herrera, Granderson playing.

What hurts the most is not losing, but losing when basically every game we're playing are close games.

[rmc523]

I used my admittedly poor and rudimentary photo editing "abilities" to throw a different take on the new Marlins rebrand, using the logos and colors they used. Part 1, the home alternate.
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Is that supposed to be Caliente Red? I don't hate it.

Exactly. If we're going to be bad at least lets give our farm system a chance. I honestly can't stand seeing Berdi, Herrera, Granderson playing.

What hurts the most is not losing, but losing when basically every game we're playing are close games.

Yeah, you're not going to find a surprise/"diamond in the rough" without playing the guys that have a chance to do that.

[Maddawg]

2 things: first, you learned literally nothing from your absurd prediction last year. Second, I have no idea what rooting for this team does for you and why you do so when you’re so absurdly jaded and cynical about every thing

Dude people of your age just don't understand loyalty. I have been with them since Wayne Huizenga saw those two games in Hard Rock stadium, each with 60,000 when Baltimore hosted two exhibition games and decided that Miami was going to be a great baseball market - a market that MLB has since abused like no other market has been abused in MLB or maybe in all sports history. I VCR'd that 1st Marlins minor league game in 1992 in which John Lynch was the starting pitcher (somewhere in NY state) because I was working - it was on SUN Network.

Who are you to question why anyone follows any team ? I might be cynical for a good reason. I've seen 27 seasons (including) this one) of Marlins baseball and granted they have won 2 World Series titles, but there have been only FOUR other seasons of winning baseball produced on the field. Even the other expansion franchises have been more successful on the field overall - Tampa Bay 4 playoff teams, Colorado 5 times & Arizona 6 times - but in fairness, they have the same amount of world series as the Marlins have. I'm not a bandwagon fan. I don't jump ship. They are my hometown team, and I'll remain with them. My 27 years of loyalty comes with some perks, and that is to be critical of them, bash them and whatever else because of my loyalty, which has never strayed. You act as though I don't want the team to succeed. That I enjoy being angry with them....again you don't understand fan loyalty. My loyalty also has earned me the right to be angry, bitchy, and cynical, because the team has made me this way. I want desperately for them to succeed, but because they frustrate you, you don't abandon them.

I am a widower now for 28 years. I raised two children alone (I now have 7 grandchildren & 1 great grandchild), do you think my children frustrated me ? YES many times....but did I abandon them ? Same principle applies here. I love my Marlins but they frustrate me a lot of the time.

I have a full family life between my career & family....I don't have time to analyze sabermetrics and minor league systems and know about minor league pl;ayers. But I do watch and have opinions about what is going on at the major league level. What I don't get is why you have this fixation with almost everything I post ?

[fish16]

Nothing gets your point across less effectively than slandering an entire generation as disloyal right off the bat. And I comment on your posts because most of the time they are absurd. Like your phenomenal 35 win prediction was last year and like your 43 prediction will be this year. Because it’s flat out stupid, just like it was last year

[Maddawg]

What hurts the most is not losing, but losing when basically every game we're playing are close games.

100%.....if they had just been able to analyze that spending a few more $$$ for 2 bats would have helped them soooooo very much, not only ON the field but OFF the field, because at this point you are losing support even among casual fans. And in 2 years you are supposedly going to spend money in Free Agency (this is what I've been hearing for a while now), and even that is not going to make people flock to the stadium, even if they start winning some games. This is not Chicago, where the Cubs could put piles of manure on the field and still sellout most of the time because the Cubs and Wrigley Field are "an experience" the franchise has built no loyalty with most residents in So Fla, but has put into their minds that you get a good player well when is he going to be traded. It makes people continue to distrust the franchise because they don't see that same thing happening with other teams - it gets to a point where people turn it off and just smirk and roll their eyes at the Marlins. I even have had people here in Miami many times say things like "aren't you embarrassed to be wearing a Marlins shirt or cap ?"

I keep hearing that "who cares about the record this year". Well the Miami market is not like the Chicago, Houston, Kansas City, Phoenix or Denver markets....they have had a lot of winning seasons and the people in those places trust their franchises. Here there is a DEEP DISTRUST of the franchise and having a season like this is doing inherently more damage to their future than I think a lot of people of this board realize.

Bottom line is, they might be trying to build a winning franchise on the field, but they are not winning anyone in the community over....and you can build a winning team on the field and yes people will show up for playoffs, but a winning franchise is more than that, much more deeper than that. That's what is STILL missing, that true connection to the locals. Catering to ethnic identity is also a losing way to build community interest...take race and ethnicity out of the rebuild completely. You have to be inclusive in order to succeed...there are many ways to have done this rebranding without playing the race card. I think it was stupid and will hurt them more than help them.

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Nothing gets your point across less effectively than slandering an entire generation as disloyal right off the bat. And I comment on your posts because most of the time they are absurd. Like your phenomenal 35 win prediction was last year and like your 43 prediction will be this year. Because it’s flat out stupid, just like it was last year

Awwwww your feelings hurt to hear the truth ? Grow up buttercup

[fish16]

You think you have significantly more of a role in my life and thoughts than you actually do

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Also, saying something is the truth doesn’t make it so

[emkayseven]

With the exception of the generation comment I agree with the rest of his post. I sometimes question why am still in Marlins fan and that’s why. It’s frustrating and there’s nothing I can do about it, I can’t break it, they really are like family. It sort of hit the nail on the head for me.

[rmc523]

100%.....if they had just been able to analyze that spending a few more $$$ for 2 bats would have helped them soooooo very much, not only ON the field but OFF the field, because at this point you are losing support even among casual fans. And in 2 years you are supposedly going to spend money in Free Agency (this is what I've been hearing for a while now), and even that is not going to make people flock to the stadium, even if they start winning some games. This is not Chicago, where the Cubs could put piles of manure on the field and still sellout most of the time because the Cubs and Wrigley Field are "an experience" the franchise has built no loyalty with most residents in So Fla, but has put into their minds that you get a good player well when is he going to be traded. It makes people continue to distrust the franchise because they don't see that same thing happening with other teams - it gets to a point where people turn it off and just smirk and roll their eyes at the Marlins. I even have had people here in Miami many times say things like "aren't you embarrassed to be wearing a Marlins shirt or cap ?"

I keep hearing that "who cares about the record this year". Well the Miami market is not like the Chicago, Houston, Kansas City, Phoenix or Denver markets....they have had a lot of winning seasons and the people in those places trust their franchises. Here there is a DEEP DISTRUST of the franchise and having a season like this is doing inherently more damage to their future than I think a lot of people of this board realize.

Bottom line is, they might be trying to build a winning franchise on the field, but they are not winning anyone in the community over....and you can build a winning team on the field and yes people will show up for playoffs, but a winning franchise is more than that, much more deeper than that. That's what is STILL missing, that true connection to the locals. Catering to ethnic identity is also a losing way to build community interest...take race and ethnicity out of the rebuild completely. You have to be inclusive in order to succeed...there are many ways to have done this rebranding without playing the race card. I think it was stupid and will hurt them more than help them.

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Awwwww your feelings hurt to hear the truth ? Grow up buttercup

I agree. I think there's an optics component here that they've been overlooking completely. That's why, while a rebuild is/was likely needed, I advocated keeping most of the guys we had (or minimizing the rebuild to everyone but JT and Yelich barring "we're giving you half our farm system" type of overpays). The optics of what it represented. And I know you can't run things based on public opinion, but this fanbase has been raked over the coals, beaten, buried, and dug back up to be beaten again. People saw hope with a new owner group coming in - especially one led by Jeter - as hopeful and optimistic, only for them to not only pull "same old Marlins" moves with trading everyone away, but to also have PR blunder after blunder (firing the scout in the hospital, throwing out Conine, Dawson, etc, only to crawl back with pathetic "we're sorry" offers, etc) right off the bat.

I'm not here to rehash or restart the "2 pitchers away" vs. rebuild argument, and maybe - hopefully - it works out in the long run and it does turn into a consistent winner; I'm just pointing out that the scorched earth approach completely ignored the abuse this fanbase has taken, and doubled down on it, at least in the short term.

I sometimes wonder why I'm a fan as well. I know last year I basically checked out completely. I've been more into it this year despite the team being worse, I guess at least there are a few glimmers of bright spots on the horizon. The average/casual fan wrote the team off years ago, though.

[Nick]

As tough as it is to watch the team right now, I really don't think bringing in a couple of players in free agency this past off-season so that we finish with 70 wins instead of 50 this year would have a made a lick of difference to our fan base. The only thing that'll get people to show up is a playoff run. Even that won't be good enough, though. You need a playoff run, and then they'll need to be in the playoff mix for another 4-5 years after, for roots to start being set. That's the only way you'll build a season ticket holder base.

Huge mistakes were made when they took over the franchise. They're handling of the Stanton trade. Giving in to the Yelich trade demand immediately. Like others have said, a complete misunderstanding it seems to the history of the fanbase. But the bed is made and now you've gotta lay in it, I just wish they'd be a little more upfront about what is happening instead of making excuses and blaming anybody but themselves for the current struggles.

If Jeter just came out and said, "I know the product right now is not up to the standards we want for this organization and I know it's not up to the standards our fans expect either, but this is part of the process and what we're going through now will make us stronger when we are ready to compete for championships, which we expect to be sooner rather than later." That's all you gotta say, but instead we get Jeter playing dumb, and saying "we expected much more of this team" no you didn't, and firing folks that had nothing to do with putting together this embarrassment of a roster. It's a bad look.

[gustavopim]

[QUOTE=Maddawg;399054]100%.....if they had just been able to analyze that spending a few more $$$ for 2 bats would have helped them soooooo very much, not only ON the field but OFF the field, because at this point you are losing support even among casual fans. And in 2 years you are supposedly going to spend money in Free Agency (this is what I've been hearing for a while now), and even that is not going to make people flock to the stadium, even if they start winning some games. This is not Chicago, where the Cubs could put piles of manure on the field and still sellout most of the time because the Cubs and Wrigley Field are "an experience" the franchise has built no loyalty with most residents in So Fla, but has put into their minds that you get a good player well when is he going to be traded. It makes people continue to distrust the franchise because they don't see that same thing happening with other teams - it gets to a point where people turn it off and just smirk and roll their eyes at the Marlins. I even have had people here in Miami many times say things like "aren't you embarrassed to be wearing a Marlins shirt or cap ?"

I keep hearing that "who cares about the record this year". Well the Miami market is not like the Chicago, Houston, Kansas City, Phoenix or Denver markets....they have had a lot of winning seasons and the people in those places trust their franchises. Here there is a DEEP DISTRUST of the franchise and having a season like this is doing inherently more damage to their future than I think a lot of people of this board realize.

Bottom line is, they might be trying to build a winning franchise on the field, but they are not winning anyone in the community over....and you can build a winning team on the field and yes people will show up for playoffs, but a winning franchise is more than that, much more deeper than that. That's what is STILL missing, that true connection to the locals. Catering to ethnic identity is also a losing way to build community interest...take race and ethnicity out of the rebuild completely. You have to be inclusive in order to succeed...there are many ways to have done this rebranding without playing the race card. I think it was stupid and will hurt them more than help them.

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I honestly think we didn't even had to add a couple of FA players. If only we would've kept Dietric and Bour I would be happy. I'd rather see DD in LF or RF than Herrera and Grandy. Same thing at 3B with Berti. Our team would be better, those two were happy to be in Miami. It's really hard to go to games or even watch on TV when we can't score runs.

Also, let some dudes figure it out at MLB. Dean, Riddle etc.

[Erick]

This team isn’t mostly losing close games as someone mentioned to be fair. This team is historically bad is what it is. I never thought I’d say this, but I’m about as indifferent as I can possibly be toward a team I grew up rooting for. I basically don’t care and watch the Rays whenever I feel like watching a baseball game. There’s nothing remotely exciting about this franchise other than the development of Caleb Smith who will probably be traded for a bag of peanuts even though Joe Frisaro says there’s no chance of that happening. Speaking of Joe Frisaro, we also have the worst beat writer in Major League Baseball. And our announcers are also the worst.