May Game Thread

[tjfla]

2019 draft picks don't impact 2021 for me. Unless excess is being traded. It's just really easy on paper right now. It's something like this:

C - Alfaro, ____
1B - _____, ____
2B - Diaz
SS - ______, _____
3B - Anderson or _____
LF - Monte/Sierra/Brinson/Ramirez
CF - VVM/Monte/Sierra/Brinson, _____
RF - Anderson or _____

SP - Sixto, Caleb, Pablo, Gallen and _____
RP - Alcantara, Guzman, E. Cabrera, Anderson, Holloway, "current veterans traded for lefties/quijada/garca/stewart"

Chen - $16 dead money
Arb 1 - Anderson, Alfaro, Caleb - Call it $12 million
14 other guys CC - $9 million
=$37 million for 17 guys in 2021. That's a floor. If guys work out, this could easily get over 20.

Trades - Castro, Urena, Prado, Rojas, Steckenrider, Conley, Romo, Walker, Granderson - Fill out bench and lefty relievers

Spend $50 million on Rendon, Didi, a lefty SP, and some sort of 1 year platoon bat

Put them over the top with potential trades of Richards, Neidert, E. Hernandez, Yamamoto, etc. if all the SP actually does work out and/or anyone else in the minors they have depth with. i.e., who cares about Scott if he gets a longterm 1B if VVM, Anderson, and Monte all work out into 2+ WAR starters across the board. They have them for years.

2019/2020 drafts are for keeping a contending window open come 2023 when some of these guys get pricy and they need to re-tool.

They are in good shape, but all of it is contingent on spending money and landing some studs in FA. We're looking at 2023 if not.

Devers will be ready by 2021 if he keeps hitting as defense is already there and if they pick JJ Bleday he will be 23 in 2021(2020 in AA/AAA) in RF or 1B. #1 Pick in 2020 is Spencer Torkelson who is a Corner OF/1B

Agree NO others from 2019 draft will be here in 2021 but Bleday has a very very good chance

Why is Chen 16 million dead money? Here is the "mutual option"

2021 option vests with
180 IP in 2020, or 360 across 2019-20
Is not on the DL at the end of 2020 and is healthy in 2021


In LHR news-Marlins signed Michael Mader. Not really a prospect but 25 and has some talent. Love how the new staff has gotten back lots of guys the old bunch traded away in terrible deals

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They need to TRY for Paxton OR Ray and Rendon. If they dont get Rendon then following year u go ALL in for Lindor unless Devers keeps hitting. Draft talent,use ALL the IFA cash,hit DFA hard and Rule 5 too

Plan is still on track for 2020. Will they be great? HELL NO but will they wanna be this crappy prolly not

[fish16]

we are only 17th in the league in runs allowed and yet we still will reach a -100 run differential much quicker than any other team. Hard to put into words how bad this offense has been thus far.

[lou]

Marlins can't go spending until they find out if any of their hitting prospects are worth a damn. Otherwise you could end up with a $150 million contract on a team contending for last place.

Only significant chance is that the prospects they traded for hit, there are some surprise emerging prospects, and under the radar signings. That is how the Cubs/Astros did it. They didn't go out and spend big money until their prospects came up and proved that they were building a real contender.

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They also need to do something to start rebuilding the fan base. I mean, I think we would all be content with 3 more seasons of terrible if it means we get the Astros in 2022, but it is a business. You think they bought the team to win 250 games in 4 years? They need to show the fans yea, these first two years were bad, but we're doing something. After the veteran trades this deadline and/or end of season, all the fat has been trimmed (ignoring Chen). They need to start thinking they will be good in 21/22 and starting building out 21-24. The team is going to be ludicrously cheap those years with a club controlled staff and some position players, plus high-end 18-20 draft picks to replace them when they get to back end arbitration. I mean, this is my payroll dream scenario.

They need to spend next year on real longterm bats and do it a year early like the Nats did with Werth to show people they mean business.

Rendon for 7 (4 year opt out, who cares) and Didi for 4, and spend on SP and 1 year rent-a-bats in 2021. That isn't going to impact any of their hitting prospects. You can slot guys around 5+ WAR beasts like Rendon and 3-4 WAR Didi type players. If Diaz and Devers both work out in 2021? Great. Epic bench player or trade one for something else.

They got to do something. They can't continue to blame things on Loria and after these last veteran trades and clearing the books, it's fully on them now. This is their team.

[fish16]

Marlins can't go spending until they find out if any of their hitting prospects are worth a damn. Otherwise you could end up with a $150 million contract on a team contending for last place.

Only significant chance is that the prospects they traded for hit, there are some surprise emerging prospects, and under the radar signings. That is how the Cubs/Astros did it. They didn't go out and spend big money until their prospects came up and proved that they were building a real contender.

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Reason i disagree is that im not advocating for any $150 million type guys. My entire premise on the guys i think we should get is that I think they will get reasonable but not overly expensive or long deals given how the free agent market has played out for these types of guys in recent years. Getting them short term not only helps this dreadful offense with no help in sight immediately, but it also puts quality veteran pieces around what we hope is eventually a group of good developing hitting prospects, and having not only a good short term mix of guys but also a quality group of cost controlled players and no long term albatross contracts.

I understand what you're saying, but I dont think it has to be this all or nothing mentality where making smart deals with the right free agent veteran bats is off the table until we start developing more hitting in the system. We are going to have money to spend with some deals coming off the books, and we're allowed to both really emphasize developing quality hitting from within as well as make smart veteran additions. I would never offer more than 4 years to Ozuna, 2 years to Abreu, and 2-3 years for Andrus. I think those make a ton of sense for what they would command and what we have at their position in the system during the length of their contract.

[Todd]

I was thinking about MLB expansion today. I am quite in favor of it.

I think the A's should move to Salt Lake, renovating Smiths Park.

I would like to see 2 more expansion teams. Two leagues of 16 teams. Each league with 4 divisions of 4 teams. No wildcard, just 4 division winners.

With even leagues, do away with interleague play.

AL East: Baltimore, Boston, Cleveland, New York
AL North: Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City, Toronto
AL South: Charlotte(exp), Houston, Tampa Bay, Texas
AL West: Los Angeles, Minnesota, Salt Lake, Seattle

NL East: Montreal(exp), New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
NL North: Chicago, Colorado, Milwaukee, St. Louis
NL South: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Miami, Washington
NL West: Arizona, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco

[rmc523]

I was thinking about MLB expansion today. I am quite in favor of it.

I think the A's should move to Salt Lake, renovating Smiths Park.

I would like to see 2 more expansion teams. Two leagues of 16 teams. Each league with 4 divisions of 4 teams. No wildcard, just 4 division winners.

With even leagues, do away with interleague play.

AL East: Baltimore, Boston, Cleveland, New York
AL North: Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City, Toronto
AL South: Charlotte(exp), Houston, Tampa Bay, Texas
AL West: Los Angeles, Minnesota, Salt Lake, Seattle

NL East: Montreal(exp), New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
NL North: Chicago, Colorado, Milwaukee, St. Louis
NL South: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Miami, Washington
NL West: Arizona, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco

Hm, keeping the Rays in Tampa eh?

[fish16]

Elieser was sent down. I had no idea we even called him up.

[Nick]

Elieser was sent down. I had no idea we even called him up.

It seems like we're real concerned about the development of our young players.

[Todd]

Hm, keeping the Rays in Tampa eh?

I think the Rays actually have a legitimate stance that their stadium is the biggest part of their problem. Some clubs dubiously use it as an excuse, sure, but for them it is legitimate IMO.

[lou]

I was thinking about MLB expansion today. I am quite in favor of it.

I think the A's should move to Salt Lake, renovating Smiths Park.

I would like to see 2 more expansion teams. Two leagues of 16 teams. Each league with 4 divisions of 4 teams. No wildcard, just 4 division winners.

With even leagues, do away with interleague play.

AL East: Baltimore, Boston, Cleveland, New York
AL North: Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City, Toronto
AL South: Charlotte(exp), Houston, Tampa Bay, Texas
AL West: Los Angeles, Minnesota, Salt Lake, Seattle

NL East: Montreal(exp), New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
NL North: Chicago, Colorado, Milwaukee, St. Louis
NL South: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Miami, Washington
NL West: Arizona, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco

I would tweak the divisions and maybe expansion teams (Portland has a plan in place, etc.), but this is an obvious move eventually.

Also, they would never eliminate playoff teams or playoff games. And a reason for that is, if you do the math, 32 teams x 156 games is an easy schedule to build. The schedule makers WANT that setup and MLBPA does too to help with off days in season. Expanded playoffs would help deflect those lost games. I think they would go NFL style.

1-2 bye
3-6 and 4-5 plays a 3 game series one day after the season at 3 and 4 home parks. No days off and no away games for the wild cards
Then 5 days after the season, you go into a normal 7 game series at 1 and 2 home parks.

I would personally fear an 8 team playoff that would take forever, and negatively impact SP inning totals, but who knows.

[Nick]

I will always contend 4-teams each playoff was the sweet spot. Never liked that Wild Card play-in game.

[Todd]

I would tweak the divisions and maybe expansion teams (Portland has a plan in place, etc.), but this is an obvious move eventually.

Also, they would never eliminate playoff teams or playoff games. And a reason for that is, if you do the math, 32 teams x 156 games is an easy schedule to build. The schedule makers WANT that setup and MLBPA does too to help with off days in season. Expanded playoffs would help deflect those lost games. I think they would go NFL style.

1-2 bye
3-6 and 4-5 plays a 3 game series one day after the season at 3 and 4 home parks. No days off and no away games for the wild cards
Then 5 days after the season, you go into a normal 7 game series at 1 and 2 home parks.

I would personally fear an 8 team playoff that would take forever, and negatively impact SP inning totals, but who knows.

Portland certainly makes sense, as Seattle really has no close clubs. I mostly said move the As to Salt Lake because their stadium has a beautiful view and is upgradable.

What tweaks to the divisions would you make?

[rmc523]

I will always contend 4-teams each playoff was the sweet spot. Never liked that Wild Card play-in game.

I hate that the Wild Card game is a game and not a 3 game series. The entire season and playoffs is built around series, yet we make this one part come down to a single game? One error can mean your season is over.

[Maddawg]

“43 wins will be tough for them”

I LOL’d.

Keep laughing...their going for 21 innings since they scored right as I type (Tampa up 1-0 in the bottom of the 6th). You can't win games if you can't score

EDIT : they are now 10-31. To get to 43 games won they will need to win now 33 of 121 or .27 pace. Achievable but they are now at a .244 pace. If these numbers don't change by June 1st, you have to start to entertain the idea of becoming a part of one of the most embarrassing statistics in modern MLB history.

Why would you subject a fanbase to that kind of abuse ? I mean you think in just 2 years the fanbase is going to be that forgiving and just start showing up because they win a few games ? The ONLY thing that will save this franchise is going to be free agency and we have seen how that market is changing and not as easy as it once was.

[Maddawg]

the team has 9 home runs less than the next lowest team Detroit (with 33, Marlins have 24)...it's truly a shit show