Season Super Game Thread

[fish16]

Realistic packages are

Soto,Severino and mid level arm(3 for 1)
Kieboom,Severino,Fedde OR Crowe,Garcia OR Antuna and a mid level prospect(5 for 1)

It doesnt matter right now because JT is hurt BUT if Wieters is out for months(no clue what is wrong with him) Washington will be desperate which means they might up the offer

I am fine with Kieboom,Crowe,Luis Garcia,Daniel Johnson and Severino BUT think the Marlins still will want a Juan Soto,Jackson Tetreault,Severino package especially if Washington becomes desperate

I am in the camp of getting as much talent and depth as possible for 2020 which means rather have 4 good prospects who could become ML players instead of 1 possible star

We've been over this but you need to do what the White sox did with Quintana last year and just hold off. IF Soto isnt involved you need to have a huge ass package of 5 guys to make up for the lack of star power, although i think Kieboom is gonna rise pretty high in these lists on top of those two really young SS prospects. I think if Washington struggles even the slightest bit (dont expect it but you never know) they might get desperate and make a splash because they 100% need to be going for it this year and you squeeze Soto out of them like the White Sox squeezed Eloy Jiminez out of the cubs eventually after months of standstill.

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Psyched for Richards' first start tonight. Undrafted guy makes good - my kind of story. He's a lot like the good Dan Straily, a plus pitcher w/o a single plus pitch.

Dont have high hopes but as long as these guys even become passable rotation pieces our future looks better and better. Even if Peters and Jarlin and maybe Smith arent great, just have each additional capable starter panning out helps our future so much in terms of both having good ML rotations on top of being able to possibly trade from strength later on in the rebuild if more guys like Neidert, Alcantara, Guzman, Merandy, etc also pan out.

Ill give it to Richards, i like his future but dont really believe hugely in his ability, but he's done nothing but crush the minor leagues and he's another great story of determination and working his way up from nothing.

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also, i appreciate the honesty the new ownership is offering with the true attendance numbers, but i feel like id just rather them do what the old regime did if only for the sake of preventing these continued jokes that you know will keep happening when we start playing non marquee teams because were gonna start getting some single digit attendance (in thousands). Doesnt change anything regardless, just might be a good move as far as keeping the jokes from continuing to pour in nightly.

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also catching up off my weekend bender and happy to see us finally DFA'ing Ellington. Even if he figures out with another team, i couldnt stand that guy any longer.

[Nick]

I think the goal should be to find your 3-5 in the guys you have in the organization right now. Draft (Or sign IFA) your ace in either of the next two drafts. (Obviously this is the hardest part) and then when the team is ready find your #2 in Free Agency.

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also, i appreciate the honesty the new ownership is offering with the true attendance numbers, but i feel like id just rather them do what the old regime did if only for the sake of preventing these continued jokes that you know will keep happening when we start playing non marquee teams because were gonna start getting some single digit attendance (in thousands). Doesnt change anything regardless, just might be a good move as far as keeping the jokes from continuing to pour in nightly.

Our attendance was a joke even when we were lying about it. Any camera shot of all the empty seats sends a greater message than any fake or real attendance number could.

[tjfla]

We've been over this but you need to do what the White sox did with Quintana last year and just hold off. IF Soto isnt involved you need to have a huge ass package of 5 guys to make up for the lack of star power, although i think Kieboom is gonna rise pretty high in these lists on top of those two really young SS prospects. I think if Washington struggles even the slightest bit (dont expect it but you never know) they might get desperate and make a splash because they 100% need to be going for it this year and you squeeze Soto out of them like the White Sox squeezed Eloy Jiminez out of the cubs eventually after months of standstill.- - - - - - - - - -



Dont have high hopes but as long as these guys even become passable rotation pieces our future looks better and better. Even if Peters and Jarlin and maybe Smith arent great, just have each additional capable starter panning out helps our future so much in terms of both having good ML rotations on top of being able to possibly trade from strength later on in the rebuild if more guys like Neidert, Alcantara, Guzman, Merandy, etc also pan out.

Ill give it to Richards, i like his future but dont really believe hugely in his ability, but he's done nothing but crush the minor leagues and he's another great story of determination and working his way up from nothing.

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also, i appreciate the honesty the new ownership is offering with the true attendance numbers, but i feel like id just rather them do what the old regime did if only for the sake of preventing these continued jokes that you know will keep happening when we start playing non marquee teams because were gonna start getting some single digit attendance (in thousands). Doesnt change anything regardless, just might be a good move as far as keeping the jokes from continuing to pour in nightly.

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also catching up off my weekend bender and happy to see us finally DFA'ing Ellington. Even if he figures out with another team, i couldnt stand that guy any longer.

JT is here till June/July no matter what. I am just saying IF Wieters is hurt for a long period maybe Washington gets desperate and says fine u can have Soto,Severino and a mid level arm(Which Miami would jump all over). No clue what is wrong with him or if its long term but this is what Miami was hoping for with JT

I dont mind a 5 for 1 deal without Soto as long as Garcia OR Antuna is in the deal

[fish16]

I think the goal should be to find your 3-5 in the guys you have in the organization right now. Draft your ace in either of the next two drafts. (Obviously this is the hardest part) and then when the team is ready find your #2 in Free Agency.

definitely agree with this. Also as much as his contract sucks, Chen is gonna be here the next 3 years so him just being able to pitch every 5 days would be pretty big if the rebuild goes a little faster and we are a decent team in 2020. Goal should be to follow what the cubs did and it is why i keep advocating for the continued churning through players and taking as many chances as yu can. Never know what you can find or what guys can excel with a change of scenery. Cubs got 2 cy young caliber pitchers in Arrietta and Hendricks for Scott Feldman and 3 months of giving up Ryan Dempster.

I feel like we have done a really good job acquiring talent the last year or so in terms of potential rotation pieces that at least 3 should be able to pan out even if it is #3/4/5 type guys and just by the numbers theres a solid chance 1-2 develop into top of the rotation type guys and then you still havent drafted anybody in the rebuild plus you still have all these veterans to deal. If we can get a few more rotation potential pieces we're set up really well for 2020 because of the cost controlled nature of the way contracts work, and then (biggest IF there is) you can make smart free agent signings or trade from a surplus and acquire final pieces to a contender. Obviously you gotta execute the plan but theyve done a good job taking chances and building depth so far.

[Nick]

I just realized I defended the new ownership to fish16, this may be the armageddon.

[fish16]

I think the goal should be to find your 3-5 in the guys you have in the organization right now. Draft (Or sign IFA) your ace in either of the next two drafts. (Obviously this is the hardest part) and then when the team is ready find your #2 in Free Agency.

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Our attendance was a joke even when we were lying about it. Any camera shot of all the empty seats sends a greater message than any fake or real attendance number could.

I agree the attendance was a joke even when we were lying about it but you wont see articles written on pictures of empty seats whereas sites that like to hate on the team will continue to run stupid little blurbs about the attendance when it is the official number announced nightly. Doesnt change anything regardless, just would save some stupid future headlines and negative attention.

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I just realized I defended the new ownership to fish16, this may be the armageddon.

welcome to the darkside.

[Nick]

I agree the attendance was a joke even when we were lying about it but you wont see articles written on pictures of empty seats whereas sites that like to hate on the team will continue to run stupid little blurbs about the attendance when it is the official number announced nightly. Doesnt change anything regardless, just would save some stupid future headlines and negative attention.

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welcome to the darkside.

I'm not there yet.

[fish16]

JT is here till June/July no matter what. I am just saying IF Wieters is hurt for a long period maybe Washington gets desperate and says fine u can have Soto,Severino and a mid level arm(Which Miami would jump all over). No clue what is wrong with him or if its long term but this is what Miami was hoping for with JT

I dont mind a 5 for 1 deal without Soto as long as Garcia OR Antuna is in the deal

Agreed. To me you either get Soto and I dont really care about the remainder of the package from there or you need to get Kieboom and then NEED one of those 2 guys on top of some other high floor position player talent in the upper minors and a high ceiling pitcher in the lower minors.

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I'm not there yet.

so you think.....

but ya i just think it will save some unneeded negative attention but ultimately i could care less what the attendance numbers say, ive been there a few times last year even on weekends where i know for a fact we did not get 10,000 fans. Brought it up before but we played a saturday night home game against the padres in late august while we were on fire and Stanton was finishing the best month in franchise history and there was an empty stadium.

[tjfla]

I think the goal should be to find your 3-5 in the guys you have in the organization right now. Draft (Or sign IFA) your ace in either of the next two drafts. (Obviously this is the hardest part) and then when the team is ready find your #2 in Free Agency.

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Our attendance was a joke even when we were lying about it. Any camera shot of all the empty seats sends a greater message than any fake or real attendance number could.

I keep hearing we are after the 2 Cuban Arms in IFA(We will probably get 1). Problem is they are both 16 and years away. The #13 pick won't get u an ace-Gilbert/Kowar are #2/3 types however 2019 draft is different. If we get a Top 3 pick u could get a Nick Lodolo/Zack Thompson

[fish16]

I keep hearing we are after the 2 Cuban Arms in IFA(We will probably get 1). Problem is they are both 16 and years away. The #13 pick won't get u an ace-Gilbert/Kowar are #2/3 types however 2019 draft is different. If we get a Top 3 pick u could get a Nick Lodolo/Zack Thompson

Never know. MLB draft is such a crapshoot. Just keep adding talent and some will surprise and some will inevitably disappoint. I just care about the process at this point and so far they are doing a good job sticking to it aside from a few things im not a fan of (Brinson being up).

[tjfla]

Agreed. To me you either get Soto and I dont really care about the remainder of the package from there or you need to get Kieboom and then NEED one of those 2 guys on top of some other high floor position player talent in the upper minors and a high ceiling pitcher in the lower minors.

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so you think.....

but ya i just think it will save some unneeded negative attention but ultimately i could care less what the attendance numbers say, ive been there a few times last year even on weekends where i know for a fact we did not get 10,000 fans. Brought it up before but we played a saturday night home game against the padres in late august while we were on fire and Stanton was finishing the best month in franchise history and there was an empty stadium.

Which is why I said these are 2 likeliest

Soto,Severino and mid level arm(3 for 1)
Kieboom,Severino,Fedde OR Crowe,Garcia OR Antuna and a mid level prospect(5 for 1)

[fish16]

Which is why I said these are 2 likeliest

Soto,Severino and mid level arm(3 for 1)
Kieboom,Severino,Fedde OR Crowe,Garcia OR Antuna and a mid level prospect(5 for 1)

I think Soto has a chance to play himself into being untouchable just like Robles but I hope not. Im super bullish on him but i think he is a straight up future superstar and his bat is something that no one in our organization can come close to as of right now. Rports out of there spring training were extremely high on him too.

[Lee Stone]

Somebody's eaten a big helping of Soto hype! I'm happy to be alone IMO, but I'd take the multi-tooled Kieboom and Johnson over Soto, esp. if Gnats handed over even more.

[tjfla]

Somebody's eaten a big helping of Soto hype! I'm happy to be alone IMO, but I'd take the multi-tooled Kieboom and Johnson over Soto, esp. if Gnats handed over even more.

I am with u. I would take Kieboom,Johnson,Crowe as long as Garcia OR Antuna is in the package.

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As for #13 pick. Of course they could be a #1 but I mean according to scouts. Scouts have Kowar/Gilbert as #2/3 type.

But u are right scouts also think Jorge Guzman will become a closer. FO is keeping him as a SP right now

FYI after seeing the Jupiter roster I love what Denbo is doing in the minors

[fish16]

Somebody's eaten a big helping of Soto hype! I'm happy to be alone IMO, but I'd take the multi-tooled Kieboom and Johnson over Soto, esp. if Gnats handed over even more.

We have a lot of other very good defensive guys in the organization especially in the OF already and I think we have a lot of really solid bats with potential but no superstar type guys with the bat and I think if you look at that guys numbers and scouting reports on his hittingability at such a young age you have a future batting champ with a lot of pop and unreal plate discipline.

Either package would make sense. With soto you get the one mega prospect but Id also be cool with another Yelich type deal where you might not add a surefire superstar but you add 3-4 potential multi WAR a year guys and continue to add a shit ton of depth in the system and maybe get lucky that one develops into even more.

I think that Yelich deal will turn out to be really really good even though I see Brinson as more of a really good player than a great player because i think we just got 3/8ths of our future lineup and those 3 guys will be really good. I think Diaz could be a low key star Dan Uggla type guy at 2b who k's a lot but gives us some power we might be lacking elsewhere in the lineup.