5/7/15 - Marlins @ Giants 10:15PM ET

[HUGG]

While Brad Hand gets beat every game, but those AA relievers we get for him will be exciting.

[Mainge]

So you don't think Haren will be getting beat?

[Jay]

going hitless for 52 at bats would put Dee at .300. Hitting .250 from here on out it would take 312 at bats to be at .300. Hitting ~.270 puts him at .300 at the end of the season. Unless he's improved his game by a lot this year, he's probably going to suck for a significant portion of the rest of the season.

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Nicolino or Urena will have the same or better probability of winning games than Haren.

[thatnewguy]

That being said, if the FO did trade Haren after Fernandez and Alvarez rejoin the rotation, I don't think I'd be that upset.

[Mainge]

Season over

[Jay]

They shouldn't wait. Trade him now before he starts to regress. Maximize the value.

[HUGG]

So you don't think Haren will be getting beat?

I mean, probably. But we're not getting shit for him, so it's a silly conversation.

He has a 2.68 ERA. I'm sure he's getting really lucky, but it's just this weird thing we always do around here.

Still waiting on Nolasco's breakout season.

[AdamRavs]

Gordon better be alright. Solano needs to stay away

[HUGG]

I'm mostly annoyed by this idea he suddenly has all this value. We tried to trade him all winter and couldn't.

[Jay]

I mean, probably. But we're not getting shit for him, so it's a silly conversation.

He has a 2.68 ERA. I'm sure he's getting really lucky, but it's just this weird thing we always do around here.

Still waiting on Nolasco's breakout season.

If they pay his salary with the Dodgers money instead of trading him with no to try and recoup Salty's salary, he brings in something more than filler which is more than he is worth on the team the rest of the year.

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I'm mostly annoyed by this idea he suddenly has all this value. We tried to trade him all winter and couldn't.

I doubt they offered the money from the dodgers then. Other teams besides those in SoCal would have been extremely cautious to deal for a guy who was going to retire rather than make a start for Miami; that obviously isn't the case now.

[thatnewguy]

The thing is, I think you could say Gordon has changed his game. I know a lot of what Rich and Tommy say on the broadcasts are BS but they made a good point in regards to Gordon and that's the quality of the hits he's getting, unlike in LA. He looks a lot like Christian Yelich did last season in terms of a lot of hard hit line drives as opposed to bunt singles and dribblers that turn into singles. Plus, the longer this continues (we're at 130 PAs right now) the larger the sample size becomes. 130 is not a huge sample size but it's big enough that I'm not willing to write a .430 batting average as a complete fluke.

The number itself is, admittedly, ridiculous and I think it's absurd to even suggest Gordon will hit near .400 or even .350 the rest of the way. however, even with regression seeing Gordon as a .250 hitter the rest of the season seems unlikely to me considering we've seen nothing this season to suggest that this isn't partly sustainable. This isn't like Haren and Latos who get balls smacked across the park and they just so happened to be hit at people and this isn't like Emilio Bonifacio start from awhile back where he hit .500 for awhile and was back to .240 in mid-may. Gordon has shown that he is a very good player and has done it in a way that can still produce hits even when the BABIP goes back down.

[Mainge]

I'm mostly annoyed by this idea he suddenly has all this value. We tried to trade him all winter and couldn't.

He probably doesn't have much value but there's a pretty big difference between winter and May. Recency bias is a thing.

But if you're doing this thing because you don't want Brad Hand in the rotation because you think Dan Haren is going to "win games" like your post suggests, then you're going to have a bad time.

[thatnewguy]

Brad Hand does suck though. Just so we're all clear.

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Hey. We win!

[Jay]

Brad Hand isn't the only option and you're defending Dan Haren like he's good.

[Mainge]

Also, I don't see how Dee's going to suck. I think that's too strong a word.