September 2020 game thread

[fish16]

Who did you want them to start?

edward cabrera. rogers and garrett were 5x less deserving than him and after their first few times out it was obvious this was going to happen. if cabrera was healthy enough to be on the taxi squad he was healthy enough to pitch today or yesterday. then you go into the fucking awful lineup construction almost every game this year, and then you get into the bullpen usage and management throwing game after game with the duggers and josh smiths of the world in close games and he has blown and actively put this team into worse positions game after game. he is a truly awful manager and he has had the same issue for years now. if you want a clubhouse presence make him the fucking bench coach, if you want someone who is going to give you a strategic advantage hire a real fucking manager.

[rmc523]

They 100% need a robo strike zone - it's getting ridiculous. Should've been strike 3 with only 2 runs given up. Not give them more pitches to catch up. Did Atlanta pay off the umps?

[Erick]

Blaming Don Mattingly for this team potentially not making the playoffs makes no sense to me. The team is lucky to be 28-25. Mattingly’s done alright for the most part.

[Nick]

edward cabrera. rogers and garrett were 5x less deserving than him and after their first few times out it was obvious this was going to happen. if cabrera was healthy enough to be on the taxi squad he was healthy enough to pitch today or yesterday. then you go into the fucking awful lineup construction almost every game this year, and then you get into the bullpen usage and management throwing game after game with the duggers and josh smiths of the world in close games and he has blown and actively put this team into worse positions game after game. he is a truly awful manager and he has had the same issue for years now. if you want a clubhouse presence make him the fucking bench coach, if you want someone who is going to give you a strategic advantage hire a real fucking manager.

Obviously I've been the biggest person banging that drum that we need to so see Cabrera, and I know Mish made a big deal of Cabrera being on the Taxi Squad, but really they brought pretty much everyone who was in Jupiter up on the taxi squad for this road trip. I'm not convinced we're going to see Cabrera at all.

[fish16]

Blaming Don Mattingly for this team potentially not making the playoffs makes no sense to me. The team is lucky to be 28-25. Mattingly’s done alright for the most part.

he has had awful lineup construction and awful bullpen management. because they have overachieved in spite of his shitty managerial decisions doesnt mean he is absolved of said shitty decisions. he is an awful manager in terms of lineup construction and bullpen management. that is incontrovertible at this point. he is a fucking horrendous manager. if we want a club house presence hire a fucking bench coach, i want a manager who understands how to make the best strategic decisions. hes been awful for 4 years at this point. he isnt a good manager.

[fish16]

Obviously I've been the biggest person banging that drum that we need to so see Cabrera, and I know Mish made a big deal of Cabrera being on the Taxi Squad, but really they brought pretty much everyone who was in Jupiter up on the taxi squad for this road trip. I'm not convinced we're going to see Cabrera at all.

then start him yesterday or today. these are the biggest games we've had in 18 years and we are throwing guys out there that we know are going to get lit up. it was painfully obvious to anyone who watch garrett his first time out and rogers his last few times out. neither of them were remotely ready for the big leagues and they are getting shelled. they are not big league pitchers right now and we are going to blow the last two games letting them get predictably shelled.

[Erick]

he has had awful lineup construction and awful bullpen management. because they have overachieved in spite of his shitty managerial decisions doesnt mean he is absolved of said shitty decisions. he is an awful manager in terms of lineup construction and bullpen management. that is incontrovertible at this point. he is an fucking horrendous manager. if we want a club house presence hire a fucking bench coach, i want a manager who understands how to make the best strategic decisions. hes been awful for 4 years at this point. he isnt a good manager.

The team has, by far, the worst run differential of any playoff contender, but if you want to blame the manager that’s cool. Every fan of every team hates their manager too.

[fish16]

The team has, by far, the worst run differential of any playoff contender, but if you want to blame the manager that’s cool. Every fan of every team hates their manager too.

we hve a terrible run differential in no small part due to him. the 29-9 game he left multiple pitchers in to get shelled. we lost 15-0 yesterday and 11-0 a week ago. run differential, especially in a shortened season can be especially reflective of a terrible manager and his refusal to learn how and when to pull his pitchers. he is an awful manager. he might be a calming presence but he is a truly terrible in game manager.

so you think mattingly is good in terms of both lineup construction and bullpen management?

[Erick]

we hve a terrible run differential in no small part due to him. the 29-9 game he left multiple pitchers in to get shelled. we lost 15-0 yesterday and 11-0 a week ago. run differential, especially in a shortened season can be especially reflective of a terrible manager and his refusal to learn how and when to pull his pitchers. he is an awful manager. he might be a calming presence but he is a truly terrible in game manager.

so you think mattingly is good in terms of both lineup construction and bullpen management?

I think he’s no worse than most managers.

[fish16]

gary denbo wanted absolutely nothing to do with severino or hollanworth's bullshit to start this interview.

[fish16]

I think he’s no worse than most managers.

i didnt ask if he's worse than most managers, i asked if you think he is good at lineup management and bullpen decisions. he should be compared to the optimal manager, not other shit sandwiches. do you think he comes up with optimal lineups and makes good bullpen decisions.

[fish16]

get rogers out of the game already jesus christ youre just asking the braves to blow this open to 7 or 8 runs

[Erick]

i didnt ask if he's worse than most managers, i asked if you think he is good at lineup management and bullpen decisions. he should be compared to the optimal manager, not other shit sandwiches. do you think he comes up with optimal lineups and makes good bullpen decisions.

I’m not a huge fan of his lineups, but does that really make a big difference? It’s been proven that it doesn’t. The bottom line is the team doesn’t have enough power yet and that’s why we don’t score enough.

I think the backend of the bullpen has been fine. Don’t really have many complaints with how he’s handled it. Considering what happened with Covid and the talent in our bullpen, how do you have a problem with it? What has he done that’s so wrong? Is it because he overused Yamamoto for a game? You can’t use the same relievers over and over again every game. Blame Yamamoto for sucking.

[fish16]

they deserve to lose this game with this decision making. from lineup construction to choosing rogers over cabrera despite this blow up being obvious, this is a blow up that didnt have to happen. a manager and front office who has actively put their team in a position to lose. if we pull this game out great, but it will be in spite of the management.

[fish16]

I’m not a huge fan of his lineups, but does that really make a big difference? It’s been proven that it doesn’t. The bottom line is the team doesn’t have enough power yet and that’s why we don’t score enough.

I think the backend of the bullpen has been fine. Don’t really have many complaints with how he’s handled it. Considering what happened with Covid and the talent in our bullpen, how do you have a problem with it? What has he done that’s so wrong? Is it because he overused Yamamoto for a game? You can’t use the same relievers over and over again every game. Blame Yamamoto for sucking.

does it make a huge difference? maybe not. can you improve on a manager who actively puts worse lineups out there than he could? Yes. we dont have enough power but we also actively put guys like joyce out there and move guys like cooper, anderson, and rojas down and that does make an impact. its putting your already limited team in a worse position than they need to be based off stupid platoon stats in limited sample sizes.

The bullpen usage has been horrific. he has blown or given up on games consistently throughout the 2 month year by his horrendous bullpen usage. and its been a constant theme for his 4 years here. he uses his worst arms at awful times and uses his best arms at the least needed times. he is an awful manager and we shouldnt be surprised if they replace him.