July/August 2020 Game Thread

[Namaste]

It hasn’t been this fun being a Marlins fan since Jose Fernandez starts. If we get down to the wire and we can smell a playoff spot, I wonder if the FO would consider trying Max Meyer as our set up man. *I don’t even know his current status

Let’s get full wild.

[Nick]

It hasn’t been this fun being a Marlins fan since Jose Fernandez starts. If we get down to the wire and we can smell a playoff spot, I wonder if the FO would consider trying Max Meyer as our set up man. *I don’t even know his current status

Let’s get full wild.

I find it odd that we've heard absolutely nothing about how he's doing in Jupiter. Before the draft I saw many experts get asked which player could contribute immediately at the big league level, and Meyer was the name that kept coming up, they thought he could immediately step in and help someone's bullpen.

[tjfla]

I thought about Cabrera too and reportedly he’s close but I think it will just be urena.

On a side note, where the hell is neidert?

It will be Urena or Neidert.

ALL the guys on IL-Urena/Neidert/Holloway/Brigham/Northcraft/Stanek/Rodriguez/Harold are ready to come back the problem is they dont wanna DFA anyone yet. Castano/Josh A Smith/Leibrandt havent looked bad. Brinson all of a sudden has hit. Soon as 1 of them stinks up the place they gone

Shafer likely gets the DFA to make room for 1 of them with Elieser to 10Day

A positive about the ROna DL is they can stay on as long as team wants them too

Marlins dont wanna DFA younger arms like Dugger/Castano/Holloway/Guzman and like Brigham/Stanek/Northcraft but where do they play? U got Bleier/Hoyt/Vincent in 7th,Box in 8th and Kintzler in 9th which is why u didnt see they get crazy at deadline.

They could have had Archie Bradley for Monte or even another OF but passed

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I'm using Microsoft Edge everybody. I made it.

Love the deals we made yesterday. We hugely upgraded from Villar, somehow improved our minor league system, and only gave up Caleb Smith. That's a win folks.

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Also, I called us acquiring Marte about 3 weeks ago. (who remembers?)

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Calling up Jazz, and hearing that he'll play 2B is curious considering the news we heard on Isan yesterday, no?

Isan isnt in shape

Jazz is likely the SS in 2021 but Rojas is there for now.

2021 MIF on 40 man

2B-Isan/Berti/Devers
SS-Jazz/Rojas

Pretty good depth chart and they all can play 2B or SS minus Isan

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2021(40 MAN)

C-Alfaro/Wallach
1B-Lewin/Aguilar
2B-Isan/Berti/Devers
SS-Jazz/Rojas
3B-BA
LF-Dickerson/Harold
CF-Marte/Monte/Sierra
RF-Jesus/Jerar/Coop

SP-Sandy/Sixto/Pablo/Elieser/Rogers/Garrett/Cabrera/Neidert/Urena/Castano

RP-Dugger/Vesia/Tarp/Bleier/Hoyt/Brigham/Stanek/Steck/Holloway/Yamamoto/Roberson/Guzman/Yimi/Kintzler

NOT saying all these guys stick but this is our 40 man next year(RIGHT now) and we probably have 10-15 million to spend if wanted too. Def will be signing 2 or 3 vets like usual

[Nick]

I'd DFA Holloway, Shafer, Brinson to get Neidert, Brigham and Harold here. Keep Urena in limbo until he's needed. Give Neidert first shot at the rotation.

[tjfla]

I'd DFA Holloway, Shafer, Brinson to get Neidert, Brigham and Harold here. Keep Urena in limbo until he's needed. Give Neidert first shot at the rotation.

Likely is DFA Shafer for a SP and Brinson/Alvarez eventually for Harold and a RP. They kinda need Brinson to help in CF with Monte and Jesus down and Sierra out

They like Holloway's stuff and were getting some hits on him at deadline so probably lose him for a PTBNL(Not saying its bad just that dont think they ready yet)

Arms getting DFA wil be Leibrandt and Josh A Smith. Just no point if theylook good which they do right now

[fish16]

brinson has hit much better the last few weeks of course once it looked like we were gonna have to DFA him. id keep him through the rest of the year just to see if he finally becomes remotely productive. his numbers still suck but he's at least crushing lefties albeit in an extremely small 20 AB sample.

Id do this when we're healthy

C- Alfaro/Wallach
1b- Aguilar/Lewin
2b- Isan
SS- Rojas
3b- Anderson
LF- Dickerson
CF- Marte
RF- Cooper
DH- Joyce/Harold/Brinson/Lewin/whoever the hot bat is
Backups- Joyce, Wallach, Brinson, Harold, Berti. Then go 15 pitchers rather than spltting it 14/14. no need for 14 bats.

SP- Sixto, Sandy, Elieser (? lats can be month long injuries especially for a pitcher), Pablo, Urena, then Rogers and Cabrera out of the pen for double headers/spot start/injury replacements.
RP- Kintzler, Boxburger, Bleier, Rogers, cabrera, Neidert, yimi vincent, Hoyt, Vesia, Stanek if he comes back? maybe Brigham as well.

[Nick]

Rogers has to stay in the rotation until he falters at least. Giving meaningful starts to Urena down the stretch scares the crap out of me, so unless they see a complete turnaround from last year down in Jupiter, I'd rather not.

[Lee Stone]

Rogers has to stay in the rotation until he falters at least. Giving meaningful starts to Urena down the stretch scares the crap out of me, so unless they see a complete turnaround from last year down in Jupiter, I'd rather not.

Either Neidert or Urena will have to step in behind Lopez, Rogers, Sanchez and Alcantara. Alcantara worries me most. Rogers has been the biggest revelation, achieving a .4WAR with just two starts. Walks have been the only pitfall, but his 5/1 K/W ratio last season suggests that shouldn't be an ongoing problem. There has been almost no solid contact off him thus far. Hernandez injury is very untimely. We haven't heard a word on Max Meyer, who was said to be the most Major League ready pitcher in the draft.

Sure don't want to see Dugger again.

[Nick]

I'm pretty sure Rogers' velocity is up from what little I saw of him last year.

[fish16]

I'm pretty sure Rogers' velocity is up from what little I saw of him last year.

it was in the first game but i read he was 1-2 mph slower in the second game so it might have been either a faulty radar gun in the first game or adrenaline. he still reminds me of andrew miller on the mound in terms of imposing presence from the left hand side.

Back to the roster crunch conversation- is the issue who to DFA for the 28 man roster or the 40 man because a lot of the guys we are mentioning have options. I also would be completely ok with DFA'ing dugger

[Nick]

Yeah I don't think you can have both Duggar and Castano taking up spots on the 40-Man.

[fish16]

im not sure either would be claimed and if they were i wouldnt be too upset.

[emkayseven]

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[Nick]

Villar is the dumbest baseball player I've seen.

[fish16]

that was so peak villar. he's a good bottom of the order spark plug but he is so wreckless way too often

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one thing i love about sixto is that you can tell he is so confident in his stuff that it leads to him being ultra efficient with his pitch count. you dont see that often out of young pitchers. he pretty much goes out there saying i know i have 3 nasty pitches and dares hitters to hit it.

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the yelich trade obviously sucks so far but one thing i think this front office has done well is use their lack of talent in the organization the last few years to take shots on guys from teams that were cheap or had 40 man roster crunches and then flipped those pieces for more talent. did it buying villar for nothing and turning 30 games of him into a decent prospect in conine. then getting cooper and caleb smith was a complete steal for a decent pitcher in michael king. cooper is a legit really good hitter when healthy and they got 2 decent to good years out of caleb smith and turned him into two years of marte. those are the types of moves that can really help in a rebuild and while they dont produce stars, they really give quality depth when all the prospects start to come up.